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18 Jan 2017, 10:13 pm

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Okay, but the landlord wouldn't be so hardpressed if he or she had paid the people filling those jobs a decent wage already.

Sure, he would----cuz, now there's ALSO an increase in contractor's fees, for when he needs a tree cut-down on his property, or a parking lot re-paved, or whatever, cuz those people have ALSO raised their prices, to meet the demand of the new wages, for THEIR people.

Well, think of the wage hike as a long term investment, in which everyone will have more buying power in the future.

What long-term investment----the turnover in retail and fast-food, for instance, is VERY high, cuz it's a TERRIBLE drudgery----and no, most people still won't be staying longer, if they're getting paid better, cuz they won't have "more buying power", cuz everybody else will be raising their prices for goods and services; and then, also, their rent, electricity, phone, cable, etc., will go-up, cuz EVERYBODY will be needing to cover the additional overhead, caused by the increase in wages. Basically, they'll be no better-off, than they were, before.




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19 Jan 2017, 12:40 am

Campin_Cat wrote:
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Okay, but the landlord wouldn't be so hardpressed if he or she had paid the people filling those jobs a decent wage already.

Sure, he would----cuz, now there's ALSO an increase in contractor's fees, for when he needs a tree cut-down on his property, or a parking lot re-paved, or whatever, cuz those people have ALSO raised their prices, to meet the demand of the new wages, for THEIR people.

Well, think of the wage hike as a long term investment, in which everyone will have more buying power in the future.

What long-term investment----the turnover in retail and fast-food, for instance, is VERY high, cuz it's a TERRIBLE drudgery----and no, most people still won't be staying longer, if they're getting paid better, cuz they won't have "more buying power", cuz everybody else will be raising their prices for goods and services; and then, also, their rent, electricity, phone, cable, etc., will go-up, cuz EVERYBODY will be needing to cover the additional overhead, caused by the increase in wages. Basically, they'll be no better-off, than they were, before.


While there is in some cases of turnover in fast food to bigger and better things, in many others, people simply stick with it because there is no other employment, or because bosses are way too picky about who they hire, or because they lack education or skills for anything beyond fast food. I've had friends who have worked fast food jobs for years, and had barely been able to squeak out a living doing it. The notion that no one stays in those jobs very long is a Republican myth meant to be used against raising the minimum wage, when in fact reality of the situation doesn't fit the facts.


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19 Jan 2017, 7:53 am

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Well, think of the wage hike as a long term investment, in which everyone will have more buying power in the future.

What long-term investment----the turnover in retail and fast-food, for instance, is VERY high, cuz it's a TERRIBLE drudgery----and no, most people still won't be staying longer, if they're getting paid better, cuz they won't have "more buying power", cuz everybody else will be raising their prices for goods and services; and then, also, their rent, electricity, phone, cable, etc., will go-up, cuz EVERYBODY will be needing to cover the additional overhead, caused by the increase in wages. Basically, they'll be no better-off, than they were, before.

While there is in some cases of turnover in fast food to bigger and better things, in many others, people simply stick with it because there is no other employment, or because bosses are way too picky about who they hire, or because they lack education or skills for anything beyond fast food. I've had friends who have worked fast food jobs for years, and had barely been able to squeak out a living doing it. The notion that no one stays in those jobs very long is a Republican myth meant to be used against raising the minimum wage, when in fact reality of the situation doesn't fit the facts.

LOL As usual.....




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19 Jan 2017, 11:59 am

The real damage isn't going to to happen to fast food, those people rely on volume and can use a small price increase on a variety of items to offset the cost, it's going to hit the fast casual and better burger places the hardest, where they're going to have to raise prices significantly or go out of business. Same with little artisan restaurants, they can't afford to pay every dishwasher and server $15, they'll simply fold, and people will be left with a far less vibrant food scene between fast food and fine dining.


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19 Jan 2017, 1:47 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
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Well, think of the wage hike as a long term investment, in which everyone will have more buying power in the future.

What long-term investment----the turnover in retail and fast-food, for instance, is VERY high, cuz it's a TERRIBLE drudgery----and no, most people still won't be staying longer, if they're getting paid better, cuz they won't have "more buying power", cuz everybody else will be raising their prices for goods and services; and then, also, their rent, electricity, phone, cable, etc., will go-up, cuz EVERYBODY will be needing to cover the additional overhead, caused by the increase in wages. Basically, they'll be no better-off, than they were, before.

While there is in some cases of turnover in fast food to bigger and better things, in many others, people simply stick with it because there is no other employment, or because bosses are way too picky about who they hire, or because they lack education or skills for anything beyond fast food. I've had friends who have worked fast food jobs for years, and had barely been able to squeak out a living doing it. The notion that no one stays in those jobs very long is a Republican myth meant to be used against raising the minimum wage, when in fact reality of the situation doesn't fit the facts.

LOL As usual.....


Decided to be dismissive, rather than arguing the point?


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20 Jan 2017, 5:15 am

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People love to sneer and spit at those involved in "unskilled" jobs, but does anyone care to explain how the people doing those jobs are supposed to move on to better things when they're paid scraps?
I hear crickets..... same for asking the supply siders how can they expect to have paying customers for their products and services if too few of them make enough to pay for said products and services.



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20 Jan 2017, 9:33 am

If people got paid a living wage, they wouldn't have to take two or three jobs to get by.
Where I live, just eliminating these commutes would be a big help in reducing traffic congestion and making the streets safer. If they had just one 40 hr/week job they would have more energy to learn more skills so they could make the jump to more skilled positions.
A fallacy is that keeping jobs low paying will keep automation at bay. If employers can save money and increase profits by eliminating unskilled jobs with automation, they will eliminate those jobs, no matter how low paying those jobs.