Can one be both conservative *and* tolerant?

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LOL The secret life of Raptor.

Raptor's a furry too?!?!? We have more in common than I thought!

I don't like the word "tolerance". It's weak, patronizing, and has a sense of polite PC phoniness about it. Marginalized people want respect and acceptance from society, not "tolerance". "tolerance" was an unfortunate word choice for liberals to use. It wasn't ever supposed to have anything to do with being polite and agreeable. Conservatives who like to whine about anger coming from their adversaries can suck it. If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness.

The word tolerance does not quite convey the same meaning in every case. For some Southern black people, it meant simply to tolerate successful black businesses, and stop lynching us. At that point, people would have accepted separation in exchange for an end to events like the Tulsa Riots.

The word becomes meaningless if used to imply that people should tolerate oppression in an endless stream of new forms. Respect would be a better goal, but in a lot of situations tolerance was the most anyone could reasonably expect at the time. Respect was just too big a stretch.

One must refer to the thread «Hey, kids, don't be a sucker for liberalism» (or was it socialism).
Then the real question becomes : Can One Be Both Liberal And Tolerant?

I think Kraichgauer and kraftiekortie nailed it. All I care about is not being lumped with the extremists of any given ideology.

This is a silly position. That just means your speech and therefore thought can be controlled by cynical opponents or excitable morons. If you have the slightest concern about mass immigration, you will be called a Nazi and a racist. If you have the slightest concern about homosexual marriage, you are called a bigot and secretly gay too. Abortion? You are a misogynist... This fear of being lumped in is one of the biggest weapons the Left has used to control speech. You must lose this fear or your opinions are worthless, because you can never express them.

I understand why you don't like the word "tolerance" "If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness." Irony alert

Also, the word 'extremist' doesn't mean anything. It's just a propaganda term to silence people.

Someone who conflates socialism and liberalism is too uninformed to have worthwhile opinions on either.

k, tiem for me to use bad grammer and spelling, saying things liek, your right...

What irony? I already said I'm NOT "tolerant". I'm not a f*****g "soft" liberal. I'm not a damn hippie who likes to stand in a circle singing kumbaya.

When was the last lynching? I admire I don't pay attention to the news, but they seem way down. Me personally I don't care what race someone is. I am more interested in population genetics and have always been fascinated by Polynesians. I was reading about how Samoa (definitely misspelled) have a super obesity gene. It is thought that helped them survive the months they spend on sea when migrating. I found it interesting how white people as we know it today didn't exist until about 8,000 years ago. I also learned how white people are one of the few groups capable of digesting lactose in adulthood. Some African populations have higher resistance to certain diseases such HIV or Malaria. Some northern populations put more of their calories towards staying warm. Africans melenin helps them survive sun. White peoples skin helps them absorb vitamin D better same for red or blonde hair. Tibetans hybridized with Denovisians and got a gene for high altitude survival. I just love studyingnevolutionary biology. One last one Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance and this is thought to be because clean drinking water is more recent there.

I do know tolerant conservatives. I happen to have a dad who I don't a conservative and he always seems to want to help and respect other cultures. He was in the Navy for twenty years and traveled a lot. He had to learn to be tolerant. He drank with Russians to respect there culture. He once visited Saudi Arabia and learned the local customs. He is visiting China this month and learning as much mandarin as he can even though he is going go help the Chinese. I have seen plenty of liberals (I am a liberal myself) who shut down events that disagree with them. Milo had his event turned to a riot. Richard Pencer was assaulted. I remember seeing a video of a kid being assaulted for being white and wearing dreadlocks. I don't think either side owns tolerance.

The witnesses to lynchings and the people who carried them out are still alive in some cases. The woman who stood up in court and claimed that Emmett Till tried to force himself on her recently recanted.

Those times (1955) made a distinct impression on a lot of people now living who are grandparents. Don't dismiss lynching as ancient history. Our current death penalty rates, for that matter, indicate less concern for black lives.

I am against the death penalty and do agree it is racially motivated. I disagree though that it is similar to lynchings. The people at death row probably committed a crime that that state deems worthy of capital punishment.

The current system does a better job, statistically, than lynching. The underlying assumptions remain largely the same. A similar correlation exists between enslavement and imprisonment.