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24 Mar 2017, 11:26 am

Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.



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24 Mar 2017, 5:25 pm

My little sister would love you. You two both seem like history buffs, but that I am not. I am interested in science and I guess rap though.

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I can be quite a bit of a handful at times and I'm a very divisive person. Almost everyone either absolutely loves me or absolutely hates me, with almost no in-between. Except most of the people in my life currently tell me that I'm extremely sweet, passionate, considerate, cuddly, protective and very headstrong and confident, and that I'm way too hard on myself.


I would say I'm the complete opposite of the last line you wrote.

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Almost all the girls that I've dated are punkish, boyish women who are slightly older than me and were long-distance relationships, and I wouldn't at all mind continuing this. Except I want someone who understands me or at least empathizes with me and my disorders and doesn't abandon me or berate me.

i'm just curious, are you open to any other types of girls?


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24 Mar 2017, 7:53 pm

SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?



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25 Mar 2017, 9:57 am

FreakyZettairyouiki wrote:
My little sister would love you. You two both seem like history buffs, but that I am not. I am interested in science and I guess rap though.

Quote:
I can be quite a bit of a handful at times and I'm a very divisive person. Almost everyone either absolutely loves me or absolutely hates me, with almost no in-between. Except most of the people in my life currently tell me that I'm extremely sweet, passionate, considerate, cuddly, protective and very headstrong and confident, and that I'm way too hard on myself.


I would say I'm the complete opposite of the last line you wrote.

Quote:
Almost all the girls that I've dated are punkish, boyish women who are slightly older than me and were long-distance relationships, and I wouldn't at all mind continuing this. Except I want someone who understands me or at least empathizes with me and my disorders and doesn't abandon me or berate me.

i'm just curious, are you open to any other types of girls?



I'm totally open to other kinds of woman, just that punkish and boyish women are the ones that seem attracted to me.



Your sister sounds cool :)



SkyWatterson
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25 Mar 2017, 10:01 am

Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?


What made me a socialist is that I believe democratic workplace ownership is the next logical step for human society. That everyone is entitled to the necessities of life free of charge, and that cooperation and mutual ownership of resources must replace exploitation, competition and pursuit of profit.



And I hate it when people say "but what about human nature". Human nature isn't static. It changes based on material conditions and society. The only human nature that exists is that people need basic necessities like food, water, clothing, housing/safety to get by, and that people can be unpredictable. A person who grew up in a society that upholds profit and a dog eat dog world attitude will be very different than someone born in a society that emphasizes cooperation and sacrifice.



I think many socialists states and societies are undervalued and underrated in their numerous accomplishments and achievements despite the challenges they faced.



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25 Mar 2017, 7:35 pm

SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?


What made me a socialist is that I believe democratic workplace ownership is the next logical step for human society. That everyone is entitled to the necessities of life free of charge, and that cooperation and mutual ownership of resources must replace exploitation, competition and pursuit of profit.



And I hate it when people say "but what about human nature". Human nature isn't static. It changes based on material conditions and society. The only human nature that exists is that people need basic necessities like food, water, clothing, housing/safety to get by, and that people can be unpredictable. A person who grew up in a society that upholds profit and a dog eat dog world attitude will be very different than someone born in a society that emphasizes cooperation and sacrifice.



I think many socialists states and societies are undervalued and underrated in their numerous accomplishments and achievements despite the challenges they faced.


I think human nature is kind of static. Say you got a delicious piece of chocolate behind a counter for free. Would you take it before the next person does?



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25 Mar 2017, 8:25 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?


What made me a socialist is that I believe democratic workplace ownership is the next logical step for human society. That everyone is entitled to the necessities of life free of charge, and that cooperation and mutual ownership of resources must replace exploitation, competition and pursuit of profit.



And I hate it when people say "but what about human nature". Human nature isn't static. It changes based on material conditions and society. The only human nature that exists is that people need basic necessities like food, water, clothing, housing/safety to get by, and that people can be unpredictable. A person who grew up in a society that upholds profit and a dog eat dog world attitude will be very different than someone born in a society that emphasizes cooperation and sacrifice.



I think many socialists states and societies are undervalued and underrated in their numerous accomplishments and achievements despite the challenges they faced.


I think human nature is kind of static. Say you got a delicious piece of chocolate behind a counter for free. Would you take it before the next person does?




That's more of an abstract what if question than a concrete one.

Depends on how the person was brought up or what they value of if they even like chocolate.

I do know sociologists agree that human nature isn't as static as people think it is. Humans are naturally more caring and altruistic than most people would believe.Again, not set in stone, but people are just more inclined to be caring and altruistic. Its material conditions, upbringing and society that makes us more self-centered, and how some people are more self-centered than others.



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25 Mar 2017, 8:29 pm

SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
SkyWatterson wrote:
Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?


What made me a socialist is that I believe democratic workplace ownership is the next logical step for human society. That everyone is entitled to the necessities of life free of charge, and that cooperation and mutual ownership of resources must replace exploitation, competition and pursuit of profit.



And I hate it when people say "but what about human nature". Human nature isn't static. It changes based on material conditions and society. The only human nature that exists is that people need basic necessities like food, water, clothing, housing/safety to get by, and that people can be unpredictable. A person who grew up in a society that upholds profit and a dog eat dog world attitude will be very different than someone born in a society that emphasizes cooperation and sacrifice.



I think many socialists states and societies are undervalued and underrated in their numerous accomplishments and achievements despite the challenges they faced.


I think human nature is kind of static. Say you got a delicious piece of chocolate behind a counter for free. Would you take it before the next person does?




That's more of an abstract what if question than a concrete one.

Depends on how the person was brought up or what they value of if they even like chocolate.

I do know sociologists agree that human nature isn't as static as people think it is. Humans are naturally more caring and altruistic than most people would believe.Again, not set in stone, but people are just more inclined to be caring and altruistic. Its material conditions, upbringing and society that makes us more self-centered, and how some people are more self-centered than others.

Why is it that even the most religious countries say Saudi Arabia, UAR have so much inequality. Shouldn't the very rich be giving allot to the very poor since the Islamic faith supports it. If so how can you say that a culture that praises kindness to the poor makes us different?

Aren't we all just selfish at the end of the day.



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26 Mar 2017, 3:39 am

oh man, another person with bipolar II that likes grunge. Seems you took your diagnosis a lot better than I did. Currently applying for disability too because that bipolar II is a rough horse to ride. Hang in there



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26 Mar 2017, 7:32 pm

Welcome to all.

As far as applying for disability, I have known a lot of people who went the disability route and are now far worse off. Having any job can give you a sense of satisfaction, fulfillment, pride, and more importantly, a steady routine which is a PLUS for spectrum disorders. I would recommend finding a career that complements your strengths, and if you have extreme social anxiety and difficulty with people, ask for reasonable accommodations under the ADA or even start your own business.

My brother is people-challenged and also has trouble keeping a job for more than 1-2 years, but he recently started a simple inexpensive car wash business and he already has 3 employees under him and he is netting $8000 per month after expenses.

If you are under 40, not severely limited, and you can reasonably get along with others, try ADA workplace accommodations or try a small home-based business first. Try everything first -- before applying for any type of disability. Plus, if you haven't worked for at least 10 years to qualify for SSDI, your benefit amount will not be enough to survive on and you will now have the government in your life constantly looking for evidence of disability fraud. Social Security can even follow people around in many states, and people have been found guilty of fraud because of their advertised social media activities and photos that contradict their application.

Therefore, everyone under 40 without significant medical and psychological disabilities really need to think it through before you possibly surrender your freedom for $750 month PLUS you will have income and social restrictions for SSI. Freedom and self-worth is worth more than $750. Keep trying and appreciate your physical prime years.

We also need to work together to enhance workplace protections for people with psychological and neurological ailments because the stigma of mental illness is still very powerful and no one seems to get punished. Fortunately, we have progressed enough as a society to eliminate most racial, gender, and sexual orientation jokes and slurs from the workplace,but unfortunately, I have never seen anyone get fired for mocking people with mental illness or fired for calling someone "crazy", "looney" or "spaz".

Let's pressure congress and our state reps to protect all of us in the workplace so no one needs SSDI or SSI.


Best Wishes to all and keep fighting.


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28 Mar 2017, 4:56 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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Its very nice to meet you Shahunshah.



Thank you, I appreciate being told that. You seem to be doing alright as well.


I like all of history in general, but I'm especially interested in things like the industrial revolution, the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong's China, the Cuban Revolution, the American Revolution, the Korean and Vietnamese wars, ancient civilizations, things like that.



And the politics of modern America, Mexico, Cuba, Britain and the Philippines interest me as well.
Same here. As of late I have been looking at America, France etc, I have just looked a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was kind of like the Trump of the 1800s.

You seem to be interested in allot of Cold War history and revolutions. Seems interesting...



Totally agreed, Jackson was like the Trump of the 1800's. Except somehow even worse.



Thank you haha. I'm a bit of a Russophile and I'm really interested in socialist/communist history and events.

Yeah Jackson did some insane stuff as president. It makes me worried about what Trump could accomplish as the powers of the president has changed very little since then.

Hmm mind if I ask, are you a socialist?


I do worry about what Trump could accomplish, but by the looks of things he will hopefully be kicked out relatively soon.



I totally am, caught me red-handed, haha. I have been ever since September/October-ish.
Yeah, but then it would be President Mike Pence.

Lol that's what I thought you might be. I myself am quite centre left, what made you such a radical?



Agreed, Mike Pence would be even worse. But its a start, and hopefully he would be kicked out as well.



Its kind of a funny story. I was watching youtube one day and I was feeling really bored. I saw a video about communism in my recommended list and decided to watch it, which led me down a rabbit hole of watching videos, reading, researching, analyzing and discussing with socialists. And here I am today.


I am praying that in 2018, the Democrats win back the House. They need to utilize the passion from the Trump protests and Women's Marchers into their own Tea Party, and if they do they win big.

Yeah, you would like my sociology teacher. He is all about loving Marx. A typical lesson of his involves him decrying fox news as propaganda, saying the right is greedy all those things. As for me, I think Socialism goes a little to far.



I hope for a revolution.


Your teacher sounds awesome and I would love to chat with him. He sounds really cool.



I can definitely see where you must think that, but socialism doesn't mean that everything is controlled by the government or that everyone makes the same amount of money. Its simply a society where workers democratically own their businesses and means of production, and objects and labor are used or made to benefit society as a whole, rather than to profit.
Yeah he is Jamaican English. He came from one of the immigrant families that I think moved their in the 50s or 60s. He came from working class backgrounds so he knows how tough it is to work your way up.

Their are concerns I have with him though. He is a little on sided and quite charismatic. He makes socialism seem kind of cool to the students but doesn't really give them a chance to see the other side I feel. He is fine with discussion and is open minded however.

Socialism is complicated. France implemented somewhat socialist politics under their current president, Francois Hollande and the effect of taxing businesses more was that the purchasing cost for French families increased from 41 to 48%, quite dramatically really. I am just not sure whether these policies should be adopted if they don't always work.


I would think its because "the other side" is already implied to be known and widely discussed.


There isn't such a thing as somewhat socialist policies. Socialism isn't simply more taxes, either.


Actually, I'm not sure if there is a policy that is always going to work, just one mores likely too.


I do know France has some of the best healthcare in the world, single-payer healthcare. But the rich can pay for private, non- necessary healthcare if they are lower on the waiting list.
Not always. I come from Auckland a very liberal part of New Zealand. Here people mostly are taught alongside the very left wing. This can be a problem as when that happens and everything around confirms it you don't always see the other side.

What made you a socialist?


What made me a socialist is that I believe democratic workplace ownership is the next logical step for human society. That everyone is entitled to the necessities of life free of charge, and that cooperation and mutual ownership of resources must replace exploitation, competition and pursuit of profit.



And I hate it when people say "but what about human nature". Human nature isn't static. It changes based on material conditions and society. The only human nature that exists is that people need basic necessities like food, water, clothing, housing/safety to get by, and that people can be unpredictable. A person who grew up in a society that upholds profit and a dog eat dog world attitude will be very different than someone born in a society that emphasizes cooperation and sacrifice.



I think many socialists states and societies are undervalued and underrated in their numerous accomplishments and achievements despite the challenges they faced.


I think human nature is kind of static. Say you got a delicious piece of chocolate behind a counter for free. Would you take it before the next person does?




That's more of an abstract what if question than a concrete one.

Depends on how the person was brought up or what they value of if they even like chocolate.

I do know sociologists agree that human nature isn't as static as people think it is. Humans are naturally more caring and altruistic than most people would believe.Again, not set in stone, but people are just more inclined to be caring and altruistic. Its material conditions, upbringing and society that makes us more self-centered, and how some people are more self-centered than others.

Why is it that even the most religious countries say Saudi Arabia, UAR have so much inequality. Shouldn't the very rich be giving allot to the very poor since the Islamic faith supports it. If so how can you say that a culture that praises kindness to the poor makes us different?

Aren't we all just selfish at the end of the day.



The Islamic faith also supports raping children and pillaging opponents.



Christianity does as well.



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28 Mar 2017, 4:59 pm

Robert2P1CT wrote:
Welcome to all.

As far as applying for disability, I have known a lot of people who went the disability route and are now far worse off. Having any job can give you a sense of satisfaction, fulfillment, pride, and more importantly, a steady routine which is a PLUS for spectrum disorders. I would recommend finding a career that complements your strengths, and if you have extreme social anxiety and difficulty with people, ask for reasonable accommodations under the ADA or even start your own business.

My brother is people-challenged and also has trouble keeping a job for more than 1-2 years, but he recently started a simple inexpensive car wash business and he already has 3 employees under him and he is netting $8000 per month after expenses.

If you are under 40, not severely limited, and you can reasonably get along with others, try ADA workplace accommodations or try a small home-based business first. Try everything first -- before applying for any type of disability. Plus, if you haven't worked for at least 10 years to qualify for SSDI, your benefit amount will not be enough to survive on and you will now have the government in your life constantly looking for evidence of disability fraud. Social Security can even follow people around in many states, and people have been found guilty of fraud because of their advertised social media activities and photos that contradict their application.

Therefore, everyone under 40 without significant medical and psychological disabilities really need to think it through before you possibly surrender your freedom for $750 month PLUS you will have income and social restrictions for SSI. Freedom and self-worth is worth more than $750. Keep trying and appreciate your physical prime years.

We also need to work together to enhance workplace protections for people with psychological and neurological ailments because the stigma of mental illness is still very powerful and no one seems to get punished. Fortunately, we have progressed enough as a society to eliminate most racial, gender, and sexual orientation jokes and slurs from the workplace,but unfortunately, I have never seen anyone get fired for mocking people with mental illness or fired for calling someone "crazy", "looney" or "spaz".

Let's pressure congress and our state reps to protect all of us in the workplace so no one needs SSDI or SSI.


Best Wishes to all and keep fighting.


I appreciate the advice but I've already been told this time and time again and it gets tiring. I'm sick of hearing it. I can't f*****g work.


What kind of social restrictions? I know there is an income ceiling but I don't have to worry about that.