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26 Mar 2017, 6:03 am

I've seen a few posts which describe what are said to be female aspie traits which deeply resonate with me, but im male, so ive just looked up a list of "female aspergers traits" and it came up with a list of which 90% describe me.

So the question is i suppose, wtf is this about? Are there completely different attributes between m/f aspies? Or is this NTs just describing aspergers to females? If they are separate is it possible to have both m/f traits? And can m have f traits and f m traits? o_O



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26 Mar 2017, 6:07 am

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Section A: Deep Thinkers

A deep thinker
A prolific writer drawn to poetry
*Highly intelligent
Sees things at multiple levels, including her own thinking processes
Analyzes existence, the meaning of life, and everything, continually
Serious and matter-of-fact in nature
Doesn’t take things for granted
Doesn’t simplify
Everything is complex
Often gets lost in own thoughts and “checks out” (blank stare)

Section B: Innocent

Naïve
Honest
Experiences trouble with lying
Finds it difficult to understand manipulation and disloyalty
Finds it difficult to understand vindictive behavior and retaliation
Easily fooled and conned
Feelings of confusion and being overwhelmed
Feelings of being misplaced and/or from another planet
Feelings of isolation
Abused or taken advantage of as a child but didn’t think to tell anyone

Section C: Escape and Friendship

Survives overwhelming emotions and senses by escaping in thought or action
Escapes regularly through fixations, obsessions, and over-interest in subjects
Escapes routinely through imagination, fantasy, and daydreaming
Escapes through mental processing
Escapes through the rhythm of words
Philosophizes, continually
Had imaginary friends in youth
Imitates people on television or in movies
Treated friends as “pawns” in youth, e.g., friends were “students” “consumers” “members”
Makes friends with older or younger females more so than friends her age (often in young adulthood)
Imitates friends or peers in style, dress, attitude, interests, and manner (sometimes speech)
Obsessively collects and organizes objects
Mastered imitation
Escapes by playing the same music over and over
Escapes through a relationship (imagined or real)
Numbers bring ease (could be numbers associated with patterns, calculations, lists, time and/or personification)
Escapes through counting, categorizing, organizing, rearranging
Escapes into other rooms at parties
Cannot relax or rest without many thoughts
Everything has a purpose

Section D: Comorbid Attributes

OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder)
Sensory Issues (sight, sound, texture, smells, taste) (might have synesthesia)
Generalized Anxiety
Sense of pending danger or doom
Feelings of polar extremes (depressed/over-joyed; inconsiderate/over-sensitive)
Poor muscle tone, double-jointed, and/or lack in coordination (may have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and/or Hypotonia and/or POTS syndrome)
Eating disorders, food obsessions, and/or worry about what is eaten
Irritable bowel and/or intestinal issues
Chronic fatigue and/or immune challenges
Misdiagnosed or diagnosed with a mental illness
Experiences multiple physical symptoms, perhaps labeled “hypochondriac”
Questions place in the world
Often drops small objects
Wonders who she is and what is expected of her
Searches for right and wrong
Since puberty has had bouts of depression (may have PMDD)
Flicks/rubs fingernails, picks scalp/skin, flaps hands, rubs hands together, tucks hands under or between legs, keeps closed fists, paces in circles, and/or clears throat often

Section E: Social Interaction

Friends have ended friendship suddenly (without female with AS understanding why) and/or difficult time making friends
Tendency to overshare
Spills intimate details to strangers
Raised hand too much in class or didn’t participate in class
Little impulse control with speaking when younger
Monopolizes conversation at times
Brings subject back to self
Comes across at times as narcissistic and controlling (is not narcissistic)
Shares in order to reach out
Often sounds eager and over-zealous or apathetic and disinterested
Holds a lot of thoughts, ideas, and feelings inside
Feels as if she is attempting to communicate “correctly”
Obsesses about the potentiality of a relationship with someone, particularly a love interest or feasible new friendship
Confused by the rules of accurate eye contact, tone of voice, proximity of body, body stance, and posture in conversation
Conversation are often exhausting
Questions the actions and behaviors of self and others, continually
Feels as if missing a conversation “gene” or thought-filter
Trained self in social interactions through readings and studying of other people
Visualizes and practices how she will act around others
Practices/rehearses in mind what she will say to another before entering the room
Difficulty filtering out background noise when talking to others
Has a continuous dialogue in mind that tells her what to say and how to act when in a social situation
Sense of humor sometimes seems quirky, odd, inappropriate, or different from others
As a child it was hard to know when it was her turn to talk
Finds norms of conversation confusing
Finds unwritten and unspoken rules difficult to grasp, remember, and apply

Section F: Finds Refuge when Alone

Feels extreme relief when she doesn’t have to go anywhere, talk to anyone, answer calls, or leave the house but at the same time will often harbor guilt for “hibernating” and not doing “what everyone else is doing”
One visitor at the home may be perceived as a threat (this can even be a familiar family member)
Knowing logically a house visitor is not a threat, doesn’t relieve the anxiety
Feelings of dread about upcoming events and appointments on the calendar
Knowing she has to leave the house causes anxiety from the moment she wakes up
All the steps involved in leaving the house are overwhelming and exhausting to think about
She prepares herself mentally for outings, excursions, meetings, and appointments, often days before a scheduled event
OCD tendencies when it comes to concepts of time, being on time, tracking time, recording time, and managing time (could be carried over to money, as well)
Questions next steps and movements, continually
Sometimes feels as if she is on stage being watched and/or a sense of always having to act out the “right” steps, even when she is home alone
Telling self the “right” words and/or positive self-talk (CBT) doesn’t typically alleviate anxiety. CBT may cause increased feelings of inadequacy.
Knowing she is staying home all day brings great peace of mind
Requires a large amount of down time or alone time
Feels guilty after spending a lot of time on a special interest
Uncomfortable in public locker rooms, bathrooms, and/or dressing rooms
Dislikes being in a crowded mall, crowded gym, and/or crowded theater

Section G: Sensitive

Sensitive to sounds, textures, temperature, and/or smells when trying to sleep
Adjusts bedclothes, bedding, and/or environment in an attempt to find comfort
Dreams are anxiety-ridden, vivid, complex, and/or precognitive in nature
Highly intuitive to others’ feelings
Highly empathetic, sometimes to the point of confusion
Takes criticism to heart
Longs to be seen, heard, and understood
Questions if she is a “normal” person
Highly susceptible to outsiders’ viewpoints and opinions
At times adapts her view of life or actions based on others’ opinions or words
Recognizes own limitations in many areas daily, if not hourly
Becomes hurt when others question or doubt her work
Views many things as an extension of self
Fears others opinions, criticism, and judgment
Dislikes words and events that hurt animals and people
Collects or rescues animals (often in childhood)
Huge compassion for suffering (sometimes for inanimate objects/personification)
Sensitive to substances (environmental toxins, foods, alcohol, medication, hormones, etc.)
Tries to help, offers unsolicited advice, or formalizes plans of action
Questions life purpose and how to be a “better” person
Seeks to understand abilities, skills, and/or gifts

Section H: Sense of Self

Feels trapped between wanting to be herself and wanting to fit in
Imitates others without realizing it
Suppresses true wishes (often in young adulthood)
Exhibits codependent behaviors (often in young adulthood)
Adapts self in order to avoid ridicule
Rejects social norms and/or questions social norms
Feelings of extreme isolation
Feeling good about self takes a lot of effort and work
Switches preferences based on environment and other people
Switches behavior based on environment and other people
Didn’t care about her hygiene, clothes, and appearance before teenage years and/or before someone else pointed these out to her
“Freaks out” but doesn’t know why until later
Young sounding voice
Trouble recognizing what she looks like and/or has occurrences of slight prosopagnosia (difficulty recognizing or remembering faces)
Feels significantly younger on the inside than on the outside (perpetually twelve)

Section I: Confusion

Had a hard time learning that others are not always honest
Feelings seem confusing, illogical, and unpredictable (self’s and others’)
Confuses appointment times, numbers, and/or dates
Expects that by acting a certain way certain results can be achieved, but realizes in dealing with emotions, those results don’t always manifest
Spoke frankly and literally in youth
Jokes go over the head
Confused when others ostracize, shun, belittle, trick, and betray
Trouble identifying feelings unless they are extreme
Trouble with emotions of hate and dislike
Feels sorry for someone who has persecuted or hurt her
Personal feelings of anger, outrage, deep love, fear, giddiness, and anticipation seem to be easier to identify than emotions of joy, satisfaction, calmness, and serenity
Difficulty recognizing how extreme emotions (outrage, deep love) will affect her and challenges transferring what has been learned about emotions from one situation to the next
Situations and conversations sometimes perceived as black or white
The middle spectrum of outcomes, events, and emotions is sometimes overlooked or misunderstood (all or nothing mentality)
A small fight might signal the end of a relationship or collapse of world
A small compliment might boost her into a state of bliss

Section J: Words, Numbers, and Patterns

Likes to know word origins and/or origin of historical facts/root cause and foundation
Confused when there is more than one meaning (or spelling) to a word
High interest in songs and song lyrics
Notices patterns frequently
Remembers things in visual pictures
Remembers exact details about someone’s life
Has a remarkable memory for certain details
Writes or creates to relieve anxiety
Has certain “feelings” or emotions towards words and/or numbers
Words and/or numbers bring a sense of comfort and peace, akin to a friendship

(Optional) Executive Functioning & Motor Skills This area isn’t always as evident as other areas

Simple tasks can cause extreme hardship
Learning to drive a car or rounding the corner in a hallway can be troublesome
New places offer their own set of challenges
Anything that requires a reasonable amount of steps, dexterity, or know-how can rouse a sense of panic
The thought of repairing, fixing, or locating something can cause anxiety
Mundane tasks are avoided
Cleaning self and home may seem insurmountable
Many questions come to mind when setting about to do a task
Might leave the house with mismatched socks, shirt buttoned incorrectly, and/or have dyslexia and/or dysgraphia
A trip to the grocery store can be overwhelming
Trouble copying dance steps, aerobic moves, or direction in a sports gym class
Has a hard time finding certain objects in the house but remembers with exact clarity where other objects are; not being able to locate something or thinking about locating something can cause feelings of intense anxiety (object permanence challenges) (even with something as simple as opening an envelope)



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26 Mar 2017, 8:18 am

Great question. I know that on WP M/F traits are recognized but I'm not sure it's in the DSM5 book or that psychologists really think this. But I don't see why a man couldn't possess more of the so called female characteristics. They know so little about autism. I think waaaayyyyy more men and women have it than previously thought. And it's spectrum is perhaps wider than previously thought as well. But this is just my opinion.

I don't know that this is relative at all, and I mean no offense, but do you have any gender identity issues? Or do you relate more in general to women?



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26 Mar 2017, 9:18 am

burnt_orange wrote:
Great question. I know that on WP M/F traits are recognized but I'm not sure it's in the DSM5 book or that psychologists really think this. But I don't see why a man couldn't possess more of the so called female characteristics. They know so little about autism. I think waaaayyyyy more men and women have it than previously thought. And it's spectrum is perhaps wider than previously thought as well. But this is just my opinion.

I don't know that this is relative at all, and I mean no offense, but do you have any gender identity issues? Or do you relate more in general to women?



I have always prefered to work with women, because I am not expected to play a role in their status/dominance games.



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26 Mar 2017, 9:38 am

Floundering wrote:
And can m have f traits and f m traits? o_O

Yes, there's overlap or maybe leanings would be a better way to put it. After all, if the traits were totally different would they even still qualify as the same diagnosis?

I identify with a lot in F, H, I and "optional" now, and particularly so when I was younger.



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26 Mar 2017, 9:43 am

The actual criteria for autism fits me very well. That list doesn't, much of it is the complete opposite to me. I'm not convinced that it's very different in females like people on the internet keep saying it is. I can believe things like trends for certain behaviour (like in normal males and females), but separate symptoms altogether? Nah.



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26 Mar 2017, 10:39 am

I think the core symptoms are the same.
However, autism manifests itself differently in different people. Therefore the most noticeable symptoms of two people could be opposites of each other even if they are a result of the same core symptom but in combination with a different personality and maybe due to a different severity of the autistic traits. E.g. some autistic people hardly talk at all whereas others constantly babble about one favourite topic and anything in between exists. It looks like completely different symptoms but both might be due to having intense interests and problems with social cues.
Al right, this example was not gender specific but as soon as different representations of autistic traits are more common in one gender than in the other it gets gender specific even if both are due to the same core symptoms. After all there are not only differences between NDs and NTs but also between men and women. Yet, no one is an exact representation of gender stereotypes. If NT men can have some personality traits or interests that are stereotypically associated with females and vice versa then aspie men can also have traits more commonly found in aspie women.



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26 Mar 2017, 11:11 am

Floundering wrote:
Quote:
Section A: Deep Thinkers

A deep thinker
A prolific writer drawn to poetry
*Highly intelligent
Sees things at multiple levels, including her own thinking processes
Analyzes existence, the meaning of life, and everything, continually
Serious and matter-of-fact in nature
Doesn’t take things for granted
Doesn’t simplify
Everything is complex
Often gets lost in own thoughts and “checks out” (blank stare)

Section B: Innocent

Naïve
Honest
Experiences trouble with lying
Finds it difficult to understand manipulation and disloyalty
Finds it difficult to understand vindictive behavior and retaliation
Easily fooled and conned
Feelings of confusion and being overwhelmed
Feelings of being misplaced and/or from another planet
Feelings of isolation
Abused or taken advantage of as a child but didn’t think to tell anyone

Section C: Escape and Friendship

Survives overwhelming emotions and senses by escaping in thought or action
Escapes regularly through fixations, obsessions, and over-interest in subjects
Escapes routinely through imagination, fantasy, and daydreaming
Escapes through mental processing
Escapes through the rhythm of words
Philosophizes, continually
Had imaginary friends in youth
Imitates people on television or in movies
Treated friends as “pawns” in youth, e.g., friends were “students” “consumers” “members”
Makes friends with older or younger females more so than friends her age (often in young adulthood)
Imitates friends or peers in style, dress, attitude, interests, and manner (sometimes speech)
Obsessively collects and organizes objects
Mastered imitation
Escapes by playing the same music over and over
Escapes through a relationship (imagined or real)
Numbers bring ease (could be numbers associated with patterns, calculations, lists, time and/or personification)
Escapes through counting, categorizing, organizing, rearranging
Escapes into other rooms at parties
Cannot relax or rest without many thoughts
Everything has a purpose

Section D: Comorbid Attributes

OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder)
Sensory Issues (sight, sound, texture, smells, taste) (might have synesthesia)
Generalized Anxiety
Sense of pending danger or doom
Feelings of polar extremes (depressed/over-joyed; inconsiderate/over-sensitive)
Poor muscle tone, double-jointed, and/or lack in coordination (may have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and/or Hypotonia and/or POTS syndrome)
Eating disorders, food obsessions, and/or worry about what is eaten
Irritable bowel and/or intestinal issues
Chronic fatigue and/or immune challenges
Misdiagnosed or diagnosed with a mental illness
Experiences multiple physical symptoms, perhaps labeled “hypochondriac”
Questions place in the world
Often drops small objects
Wonders who she is and what is expected of her
Searches for right and wrong
Since puberty has had bouts of depression (may have PMDD)
Flicks/rubs fingernails, picks scalp/skin, flaps hands, rubs hands together, tucks hands under or between legs, keeps closed fists, paces in circles, and/or clears throat often

Section E: Social Interaction

Friends have ended friendship suddenly (without female with AS understanding why) and/or difficult time making friends
Tendency to overshare
Spills intimate details to strangers
Raised hand too much in class or didn’t participate in class
Little impulse control with speaking when younger
Monopolizes conversation at times
Brings subject back to self
Comes across at times as narcissistic and controlling (is not narcissistic)
Shares in order to reach out
Often sounds eager and over-zealous or apathetic and disinterested
Holds a lot of thoughts, ideas, and feelings inside
Feels as if she is attempting to communicate “correctly”
Obsesses about the potentiality of a relationship with someone, particularly a love interest or feasible new friendship
Confused by the rules of accurate eye contact, tone of voice, proximity of body, body stance, and posture in conversation
Conversation are often exhausting
Questions the actions and behaviors of self and others, continually
Feels as if missing a conversation “gene” or thought-filter
Trained self in social interactions through readings and studying of other people
Visualizes and practices how she will act around others
Practices/rehearses in mind what she will say to another before entering the room
Difficulty filtering out background noise when talking to others
Has a continuous dialogue in mind that tells her what to say and how to act when in a social situation
Sense of humor sometimes seems quirky, odd, inappropriate, or different from others
As a child it was hard to know when it was her turn to talk
Finds norms of conversation confusing
Finds unwritten and unspoken rules difficult to grasp, remember, and apply

Section F: Finds Refuge when Alone

Feels extreme relief when she doesn’t have to go anywhere, talk to anyone, answer calls, or leave the house but at the same time will often harbor guilt for “hibernating” and not doing “what everyone else is doing”
One visitor at the home may be perceived as a threat (this can even be a familiar family member)
Knowing logically a house visitor is not a threat, doesn’t relieve the anxiety
Feelings of dread about upcoming events and appointments on the calendar
Knowing she has to leave the house causes anxiety from the moment she wakes up
All the steps involved in leaving the house are overwhelming and exhausting to think about
She prepares herself mentally for outings, excursions, meetings, and appointments, often days before a scheduled event
OCD tendencies when it comes to concepts of time, being on time, tracking time, recording time, and managing time (could be carried over to money, as well)
Questions next steps and movements, continually
Sometimes feels as if she is on stage being watched and/or a sense of always having to act out the “right” steps, even when she is home alone
Telling self the “right” words and/or positive self-talk (CBT) doesn’t typically alleviate anxiety. CBT may cause increased feelings of inadequacy.
Knowing she is staying home all day brings great peace of mind
Requires a large amount of down time or alone time
Feels guilty after spending a lot of time on a special interest
Uncomfortable in public locker rooms, bathrooms, and/or dressing rooms
Dislikes being in a crowded mall, crowded gym, and/or crowded theater

Section G: Sensitive

Sensitive to sounds, textures, temperature, and/or smells when trying to sleep
Adjusts bedclothes, bedding, and/or environment in an attempt to find comfort
Dreams are anxiety-ridden, vivid, complex, and/or precognitive in nature
Highly intuitive to others’ feelings
Highly empathetic, sometimes to the point of confusion
Takes criticism to heart
Longs to be seen, heard, and understood
Questions if she is a “normal” person
Highly susceptible to outsiders’ viewpoints and opinions
At times adapts her view of life or actions based on others’ opinions or words
Recognizes own limitations in many areas daily, if not hourly
Becomes hurt when others question or doubt her work
Views many things as an extension of self
Fears others opinions, criticism, and judgment
Dislikes words and events that hurt animals and people
Collects or rescues animals (often in childhood)
Huge compassion for suffering (sometimes for inanimate objects/personification)
Sensitive to substances (environmental toxins, foods, alcohol, medication, hormones, etc.)
Tries to help, offers unsolicited advice, or formalizes plans of action
Questions life purpose and how to be a “better” person
Seeks to understand abilities, skills, and/or gifts

Section H: Sense of Self

Feels trapped between wanting to be herself and wanting to fit in
Imitates others without realizing it
Suppresses true wishes (often in young adulthood)
Exhibits codependent behaviors (often in young adulthood)
Adapts self in order to avoid ridicule
Rejects social norms and/or questions social norms
Feelings of extreme isolation
Feeling good about self takes a lot of effort and work
Switches preferences based on environment and other people
Switches behavior based on environment and other people
Didn’t care about her hygiene, clothes, and appearance before teenage years and/or before someone else pointed these out to her
“Freaks out” but doesn’t know why until later
Young sounding voice
Trouble recognizing what she looks like and/or has occurrences of slight prosopagnosia (difficulty recognizing or remembering faces)
Feels significantly younger on the inside than on the outside (perpetually twelve)

Section I: Confusion

Had a hard time learning that others are not always honest
Feelings seem confusing, illogical, and unpredictable (self’s and others’)
Confuses appointment times, numbers, and/or dates
Expects that by acting a certain way certain results can be achieved, but realizes in dealing with emotions, those results don’t always manifest
Spoke frankly and literally in youth
Jokes go over the head
Confused when others ostracize, shun, belittle, trick, and betray
Trouble identifying feelings unless they are extreme
Trouble with emotions of hate and dislike
Feels sorry for someone who has persecuted or hurt her
Personal feelings of anger, outrage, deep love, fear, giddiness, and anticipation seem to be easier to identify than emotions of joy, satisfaction, calmness, and serenity
Difficulty recognizing how extreme emotions (outrage, deep love) will affect her and challenges transferring what has been learned about emotions from one situation to the next
Situations and conversations sometimes perceived as black or white
The middle spectrum of outcomes, events, and emotions is sometimes overlooked or misunderstood (all or nothing mentality)
A small fight might signal the end of a relationship or collapse of world
A small compliment might boost her into a state of bliss

Section J: Words, Numbers, and Patterns

Likes to know word origins and/or origin of historical facts/root cause and foundation
Confused when there is more than one meaning (or spelling) to a word
High interest in songs and song lyrics
Notices patterns frequently
Remembers things in visual pictures
Remembers exact details about someone’s life
Has a remarkable memory for certain details
Writes or creates to relieve anxiety
Has certain “feelings” or emotions towards words and/or numbers
Words and/or numbers bring a sense of comfort and peace, akin to a friendship

(Optional) Executive Functioning & Motor Skills This area isn’t always as evident as other areas

Simple tasks can cause extreme hardship
Learning to drive a car or rounding the corner in a hallway can be troublesome
New places offer their own set of challenges
Anything that requires a reasonable amount of steps, dexterity, or know-how can rouse a sense of panic
The thought of repairing, fixing, or locating something can cause anxiety
Mundane tasks are avoided
Cleaning self and home may seem insurmountable
Many questions come to mind when setting about to do a task
Might leave the house with mismatched socks, shirt buttoned incorrectly, and/or have dyslexia and/or dysgraphia
A trip to the grocery store can be overwhelming
Trouble copying dance steps, aerobic moves, or direction in a sports gym class
Has a hard time finding certain objects in the house but remembers with exact clarity where other objects are; not being able to locate something or thinking about locating something can cause feelings of intense anxiety (object permanence challenges) (even with something as simple as opening an envelope)


So many of these things describe me. So how is it different from male aspie traits?



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26 Mar 2017, 1:11 pm

A: At a glance, that list looks pretty unisex to me, just written with a female pronoun to make it easier for sisters to relate.
B: There's nothing on the AS to keep your genes from getting set for bisexuality as well.



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26 Mar 2017, 1:20 pm

Sorry to disappoint but im straight with no gender identity issues and old enough to know if that wasn't the case :lol:



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26 Mar 2017, 1:34 pm

I'm not at all disappointed, but I'm always aware of a chart published by Scientific American which shows that while people are inclined to correctly identify as straight, gay, or mixed, there are a few in each category who have successfully masked their true physical reactions and convinced themselves to behave in opposition to them. It is a pretty smooth taper all the way out on the graph.



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26 Mar 2017, 2:22 pm

This is the list in Rudy Simone's Aspergirls:

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SUMMARY OF SOME MAIN FEMALE/MALE DIFFERENCES

* Usually a little more expressive in face and gesture than male counterparts.
* Better at mirroring than males and so may mirror many different types of personalities.Hence females may not have a strong sense of identity, can be very chameleon-like, especially before diagnosis.
* Will have obsessions but they are not as abstruse or unusual as her male counterpart's and tend to be more practical (less likely to be a 'trainspotter')
* More open to talking about feelings and emotional issues than males wit AS.
* Less likely to receive early, correct diagnosis because the criteria are based on male behaviors/traits. (Hans Asperger studied males only.) More likely to be diagnosed as bipolar or manic depressive (common comorbids of autism/AS.)
* Physical gestures/behaviors when happy more expressive than males: hand flapping, clapping, singing, jumping up and down, running around, dancing, bouncing - this pertains to adult women as well as girls.
* Adult females are prone to both temper and crying meltdowns, even in public, sometimes over seemingly small things due to sensory or emotional overload. Hunger/ food issues seem to be a common trigger. Adult males not prone to crying.
* Tends to receive less tolerance and more expectation from others, because she appears more adept.
* Like males, she will dress comfortably, but may be thought androgynous, as she may have an aversion to makeup and complicated hair and clothing styles.
* Less likely to stutter than male counterparts when stressed or upset; although both may have a raspy, choked or monotone voice, or suffer mutism at those times.
* Females are generally better at socializing in small doses. May even give the appearance of skilled, but it is a 'performance'. Like her male counterpart, will shut down in social situations once overloaded.
* More likely to keep pets for emotional support but not always, due to sensory issues.



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26 Mar 2017, 2:32 pm

komamanga wrote:
This is the list in Rudy Simone's Aspergirls:

Quote:
SUMMARY OF SOME MAIN FEMALE/MALE DIFFERENCES

* Usually a little more expressive in face and gesture than male counterparts.
* Better at mirroring than males and so may mirror many different types of personalities.Hence females may not have a strong sense of identity, can be very chameleon-like, especially before diagnosis.
* Will have obsessions but they are not as abstruse or unusual as her male counterpart's and tend to be more practical (less likely to be a 'trainspotter')
* More open to talking about feelings and emotional issues than males wit AS.
* Less likely to receive early, correct diagnosis because the criteria are based on male behaviors/traits. (Hans Asperger studied males only.) More likely to be diagnosed as bipolar or manic depressive (common comorbids of autism/AS.)
* Physical gestures/behaviors when happy more expressive than males: hand flapping, clapping, singing, jumping up and down, running around, dancing, bouncing - this pertains to adult women as well as girls.
* Adult females are prone to both temper and crying meltdowns, even in public, sometimes over seemingly small things due to sensory or emotional overload. Hunger/ food issues seem to be a common trigger. Adult males not prone to crying.
* Tends to receive less tolerance and more expectation from others, because she appears more adept.
* Like males, she will dress comfortably, but may be thought androgynous, as she may have an aversion to makeup and complicated hair and clothing styles.
* Less likely to stutter than male counterparts when stressed or upset; although both may have a raspy, choked or monotone voice, or suffer mutism at those times.
* Females are generally better at socializing in small doses. May even give the appearance of skilled, but it is a 'performance'. Like her male counterpart, will shut down in social situations once overloaded.
* More likely to keep pets for emotional support but not always, due to sensory issues.

brb getting a sex change

She self diagnosed and then self un-diagnosed, saying she cured herself with diet, I don't trust that woman one bit.



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26 Mar 2017, 2:38 pm

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She self diagnosed and then self un-diagnosed, saying she cured herself with diet, I don't trust that woman one bit.


I had no idea :O



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26 Mar 2017, 2:42 pm

The core traits are the same although how they present are probably different generally.


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komamanga wrote:
This is the list in Rudy Simone's Aspergirls:

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SUMMARY OF SOME MAIN FEMALE/MALE DIFFERENCES

* Usually a little more expressive in face and gesture than male counterparts.
* Better at mirroring than males and so may mirror many different types of personalities.Hence females may not have a strong sense of identity, can be very chameleon-like, especially before diagnosis.
* Will have obsessions but they are not as abstruse or unusual as her male counterpart's and tend to be more practical (less likely to be a 'trainspotter')
* More open to talking about feelings and emotional issues than males wit AS.
* Less likely to receive early, correct diagnosis because the criteria are based on male behaviors/traits. (Hans Asperger studied males only.) More likely to be diagnosed as bipolar or manic depressive (common comorbids of autism/AS.)
* Physical gestures/behaviors when happy more expressive than males: hand flapping, clapping, singing, jumping up and down, running around, dancing, bouncing - this pertains to adult women as well as girls.
* Adult females are prone to both temper and crying meltdowns, even in public, sometimes over seemingly small things due to sensory or emotional overload. Hunger/ food issues seem to be a common trigger. Adult males not prone to crying.
* Tends to receive less tolerance and more expectation from others, because she appears more adept.
* Like males, she will dress comfortably, but may be thought androgynous, as she may have an aversion to makeup and complicated hair and clothing styles.
* Less likely to stutter than male counterparts when stressed or upset; although both may have a raspy, choked or monotone voice, or suffer mutism at those times.
* Females are generally better at socializing in small doses. May even give the appearance of skilled, but it is a 'performance'. Like her male counterpart, will shut down in social situations once overloaded.
* More likely to keep pets for emotional support but not always, due to sensory issues.

brb getting a sex change

She self diagnosed and then self un-diagnosed, saying she cured herself with diet, I don't trust that woman one bit.



Yeah I remember lot of autistic people were upset with her about it. She made these lists and wrote several books about autism and females and people on the spectrum could relate to it and then she decides she didn't have it so that leaves them confusion like did she make this all up. Does that mean they are not autistic either after all. Also the fact she was against the self diagnosed but yet wouldn't get herself diagnosed and claimed to be aspie so she was a big hypocrite. She decided autism was a gut issue. Okay either she never had it or she treated her symptoms with a diet which works for some people on the spectrum. I have heard of autism and gluten free diets and it helps with their symptoms so why not make them disappear too because they were that mild while for others it makes theirs less severe because their autism is that bad.


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