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27 Apr 2017, 12:35 pm

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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.



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27 Apr 2017, 1:32 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.


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27 Apr 2017, 5:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


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27 Apr 2017, 6:34 pm

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Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


For the above and more:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/de ... once-again

Never been a fan of Ayn Rand, The Libertarian Movement or Austrian Economics. The idea of "gold is the only real money", along with a few other dogmatic notions, define the movement. The most galling aspect of Libertarianism though is it's belief that Government is inherently evil because it takes away liberty. Where not to start...

Having looked over these notions, they feel like to me to be less intelligent than various alternatives out there. For Economics Alternatives the following list is presented for your interest.

[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Monetary_Institute"]Stephen Zarlenga[/quote]
[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Keen"]Steve Keen[/quote]
[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hudson_(economist)"] Michael Hudson[/quote]


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27 Apr 2017, 7:48 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.


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27 Apr 2017, 8:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.

Ron Paul does the same thing.

" Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel earmarkers on Capitol Hill"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... 675daa1eaa

Asked about it, he said something like, it's not hypocrisy, I'm just getting back some of what my constituents put in.

Ayn Rand probably felt the same way.



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27 Apr 2017, 8:55 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.

Ron Paul does the same thing.

" Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel earmarkers on Capitol Hill"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... 675daa1eaa

Asked about it, he said something like, it's not hypocrisy, I'm just getting back some of what my constituents put in.

Ayn Rand probably felt the same way.


I doubt it, as she tried to hide that she was getting assistance.


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28 Apr 2017, 11:06 am

Let's say that she became completely dependent, to the point of being diapered and walked on a leash. Does that mean charity came with strings attached.

This is the saying about the beggar, who can't be the chooser; he isn't self-empowered. I an not shaming someone for their politics, per se. But, as a matter of Murphy's Law, dependency breeds more dependency.



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06 May 2017, 12:57 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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neurotypical oppression doesn't have a political leaning.
i don't get the connection.

Some conservatives , such as the Libertarian-type conservative, promote "liberty".


Libertarians aren't conservative. Libertarians are libertarian.



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06 May 2017, 1:23 am

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Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Welfare is not exclusively for those who are disabled. It's also for able bodied people who have fallen on hard times and have dependents. My family was on welfare once when my father was struggling with health issues and unable to work. My mother couldn't make enough working to pay for daycare or transportation, so it didn't make sense to work when all of her wages would have gone to daycare and transportation and she would still have nothing left over for actual living expenses.

My father had to pay the welfare back when he was doing better and found employment.

Concerning using the money for drugs and alcohol, welfare recipients...at least in my state, don't receive cash. They receive EBT cards and the cards can be used to buy certain goods. This obviously excludes drugs and alcohol. I'm sure there are people who find ways around this, either through unscrupulous retailers or other methods. I suspect you might actually be referring to drug testing welfare recipients. In principal this sounds great. No one wants their tax dollars going to buy food for someone who would rather use their cash to buy drugs, but in practice, it costs more to drug test than it saves the tax payer, and it's not feasible to drug test someone every single day.



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06 May 2017, 2:39 am

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Sweetleaf wrote:
Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Welfare is not exclusively for those who are disabled. It's also for able bodied people who have fallen on hard times and have dependents. My family was on welfare once when my father was struggling with health issues and unable to work. My mother couldn't make enough working to pay for daycare or transportation, so it didn't make sense to work when all of her wages would have gone to daycare and transportation and she would still have nothing left over for actual living expenses.

My father had to pay the welfare back when he was doing better and found employment.

Concerning using the money for drugs and alcohol, welfare recipients...at least in my state, don't receive cash. They receive EBT cards and the cards can be used to buy certain goods. This obviously excludes drugs and alcohol. I'm sure there are people who find ways around this, either through unscrupulous retailers or other methods. I suspect you might actually be referring to drug testing welfare recipients. In principal this sounds great. No one wants their tax dollars going to buy food for someone who would rather use their cash to buy drugs, but in practice, it costs more to drug test than it saves the tax payer, and it's not feasible to drug test someone every single day.

Thank you so very much for refuting that right wing BS.


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06 May 2017, 12:01 pm

I tried hanging around with conservatives when I was younger. They told me that I was a weirdo and a lazy bum.

That's how I became a political independent.


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06 May 2017, 12:27 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Welfare is not exclusively for those who are disabled. It's also for able bodied people who have fallen on hard times and have dependents. My family was on welfare once when my father was struggling with health issues and unable to work. My mother couldn't make enough working to pay for daycare or transportation, so it didn't make sense to work when all of her wages would have gone to daycare and transportation and she would still have nothing left over for actual living expenses.

My father had to pay the welfare back when he was doing better and found employment.

Concerning using the money for drugs and alcohol, welfare recipients...at least in my state, don't receive cash. They receive EBT cards and the cards can be used to buy certain goods. This obviously excludes drugs and alcohol. I'm sure there are people who find ways around this, either through unscrupulous retailers or other methods. I suspect you might actually be referring to drug testing welfare recipients. In principal this sounds great. No one wants their tax dollars going to buy food for someone who would rather use their cash to buy drugs, but in practice, it costs more to drug test than it saves the tax payer, and it's not feasible to drug test someone every single day.


Yeah you can't use EBT for anything but food, medicaid can only be used for medical care...with Disability you get an income that goes in your bank account which is your income that you choose how to spend unless you have a payee because you can't manage funds. Yes some people with disability income may buy alcohol or cannabis...but like me I imagine the vast majority of people on disability see bills as the first priority before any recreational spending.


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06 May 2017, 2:27 pm

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Chronos wrote:
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Well very inspiring to cut resources from them...resources that can help them become more productive. People are more productive when they have their basic needs met actually. Not having basic needs met just makes people desperate not particularly 'productive'.

Conservatives promote cutting welfare to able-bodied people.

They also like to make sure the money is not going for booze, and drugs.


Welfare is not exclusively for those who are disabled. It's also for able bodied people who have fallen on hard times and have dependents. My family was on welfare once when my father was struggling with health issues and unable to work. My mother couldn't make enough working to pay for daycare or transportation, so it didn't make sense to work when all of her wages would have gone to daycare and transportation and she would still have nothing left over for actual living expenses.

My father had to pay the welfare back when he was doing better and found employment.

Concerning using the money for drugs and alcohol, welfare recipients...at least in my state, don't receive cash. They receive EBT cards and the cards can be used to buy certain goods. This obviously excludes drugs and alcohol. I'm sure there are people who find ways around this, either through unscrupulous retailers or other methods. I suspect you might actually be referring to drug testing welfare recipients. In principal this sounds great. No one wants their tax dollars going to buy food for someone who would rather use their cash to buy drugs, but in practice, it costs more to drug test than it saves the tax payer, and it's not feasible to drug test someone every single day.


Yeah you can't use EBT for anything but food, medicaid can only be used for medical care...with Disability you get an income that goes in your bank account which is your income that you choose how to spend unless you have a payee because you can't manage funds. Yes some people with disability income may buy alcohol or cannabis...but like me I imagine the vast majority of people on disability see bills as the first priority before any recreational spending.


I can remember when King D-bag, New Gingrich, had claimed people on EBT had used food stamps to take vacations to Hawaii. And I'm sure that right wing cretins all over the country believed him.


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06 May 2017, 4:33 pm

Doesn't the proposed Trump care look great, its clear the federal government really cares for the health of all its citizens. :roll:


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Doesn't the proposed Trump care look great, its clear the federal government really cares for the health of all its citizens. :roll:


Why can't America just have universal health care already? It's not that hard!

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