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22 Apr 2017, 9:39 pm

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2. Trump wants health savings accounts a play a larger role in health care, thus, letting giving parents of an ASD kid more freedom to direct their health care money towards "special needs care", such as tuition and travel expenses that are not covered by Obamacare.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/01/trump-wa ... -work.html
You mean the freedom to choose which company overcharges you?

That doesn't sound like more freedom. That sounds like less freedom.

You could save a few thousand dollars per year. What do you want to do with those savings? Save for a house deposite? Save for your/your kids college? Nope. All those savings have to go towards your health savings account incase you or a member of your family gets sick.

If you have an ASD kid who requires "special needs care" then you have to put a lot more money into your health savings account. I guess that means you can forget about saving for his college.

Special needs care or college? Choose one. If you or your kids want to go to college then you bette make sure you and your kids never get sick.
As I pointed out, Obamacare *won't* pay for tuition, or travel expenses for "special needs" kids, however, HSAs do.

So, yes, Trump would help "special needs" families.

It gives parents the freedom to spend the money they want, rather, than forcing them into health care they don't need and can't use.
Savings accounts don't pay for anything. They merely store the money you put in.


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22 Apr 2017, 10:46 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
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2. Trump wants health savings accounts a play a larger role in health care, thus, letting giving parents of an ASD kid more freedom to direct their health care money towards "special needs care", such as tuition and travel expenses that are not covered by Obamacare.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/01/trump-wa ... -work.html
You mean the freedom to choose which company overcharges you?

That doesn't sound like more freedom. That sounds like less freedom.

You could save a few thousand dollars per year. What do you want to do with those savings? Save for a house deposite? Save for your/your kids college? Nope. All those savings have to go towards your health savings account incase you or a member of your family gets sick.

If you have an ASD kid who requires "special needs care" then you have to put a lot more money into your health savings account. I guess that means you can forget about saving for his college.

Special needs care or college? Choose one. If you or your kids want to go to college then you bette make sure you and your kids never get sick.
As I pointed out, Obamacare *won't* pay for tuition, or travel expenses for "special needs" kids, however, HSAs do.

So, yes, Trump would help "special needs" families.

It gives parents the freedom to spend the money they want, rather, than forcing them into health care they don't need and can't use.
Savings accounts don't pay for anything. They merely store the money you put in.

You have a misunderstanding of HSAs.

HSAs are just like regular employer provided health insurance.

They pay for dental, medical, and optometry, without you having to use your savings.

I have a HSA, and my employer puts money into the HSA every month that I can spend as I want.

Plus, I can make tax-free contributions.

That is the benefit for "special needs" families. They can put aside tax-free money to pay for their unique needs.

See," HSAs can be a particularly useful tool for parents of disabled children"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/financial- ... 1465783562



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23 Apr 2017, 7:36 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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2. Trump wants health savings accounts a play a larger role in health care, thus, letting giving parents of an ASD kid more freedom to direct their health care money towards "special needs care", such as tuition and travel expenses that are not covered by Obamacare.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/01/trump-wa ... -work.html
You mean the freedom to choose which company overcharges you?

That doesn't sound like more freedom. That sounds like less freedom.

You could save a few thousand dollars per year. What do you want to do with those savings? Save for a house deposite? Save for your/your kids college? Nope. All those savings have to go towards your health savings account incase you or a member of your family gets sick.

If you have an ASD kid who requires "special needs care" then you have to put a lot more money into your health savings account. I guess that means you can forget about saving for his college.

Special needs care or college? Choose one. If you or your kids want to go to college then you bette make sure you and your kids never get sick.
As I pointed out, Obamacare *won't* pay for tuition, or travel expenses for "special needs" kids, however, HSAs do.

So, yes, Trump would help "special needs" families.

It gives parents the freedom to spend the money they want, rather, than forcing them into health care they don't need and can't use.
Savings accounts don't pay for anything. They merely store the money you put in.

You have a misunderstanding of HSAs.

HSAs are just like regular employer provided health insurance.

They pay for dental, medical, and optometry, without you having to use your savings.

I have a HSA, and my employer puts money into the HSA every month that I can spend as I want.

Plus, I can make tax-free contributions.

That is the benefit for "special needs" families. They can put aside tax-free money to pay for their unique needs.

See," HSAs can be a particularly useful tool for parents of disabled children"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/financial- ... 1465783562
What happens when it runs out?

I realise that the medicare system used in my country doesn't get the money out of thin air but if a few people get expensive diseases they won't have to rely on a fixed sum of money.


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25 Apr 2017, 9:16 pm

Yes, because people being rude is OPPRESSION!

Kind of like how men spreading their legs a bit as to not crush their balls is OPPRESSING WOMEN YOU CIS WHITE PIG!! !


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26 Apr 2017, 4:25 am

Wait a minute, there is no physically possible way money could be as important as what you're discussing doing with it. Money is a formality, it's not edible & it neither moves, oxygenates, filters nor stores blood. Nope, when concentrated, money just spills blood, that's easily proven if you're inclined towards real news. What I can buy has nothing to do with my physical condition & it's nice to keep things that way singlehandedly.


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26 Apr 2017, 11:16 am

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Like many of you, I have lived my life under constant neurotypical oppression.

My oppressors told me, "You don't go out enough", "You spend too much time on your computer", "You don't socialize enough", "You shouldn't do that", "You shouldn't act that way", "You should say 'hi' to people in the morning", "You shouldn't dress that way, "Don't do that", "You're not doing it right", "You should make friends" .....

Even worse, my oppressors abused and humiliated me, because I didn't do things in their perceived "correct way".

The message was clear: I am wrong.

Then along comes conservatism.

Conservatives say things like, "You don't need a government master to tell you how to live your life".

Wow! What a powerful message to an oppressed person.

So, that's why I despise lefties, government control, socialism, and why I'm enamored with conservatism. :D


Bravo. :heart:

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but the lack of government doesn't mean lack of people judging your life


I hate some part of left because of the same reasons as you, namely liberal left, but I still like a big government that can provides basic needs to people.


It means, they can't keep you on a financial leash.

Liberals have an extreme, mental block, in which you cannot be moral, unless you're within their system of regulatory capture / debt peonage.



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26 Apr 2017, 1:51 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
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Like many of you, I have lived my life under constant neurotypical oppression.

My oppressors told me, "You don't go out enough", "You spend too much time on your computer", "You don't socialize enough", "You shouldn't do that", "You shouldn't act that way", "You should say 'hi' to people in the morning", "You shouldn't dress that way, "Don't do that", "You're not doing it right", "You should make friends" .....

Even worse, my oppressors abused and humiliated me, because I didn't do things in their perceived "correct way".

The message was clear: I am wrong.

Then along comes conservatism.

Conservatives say things like, "You don't need a government master to tell you how to live your life".

Wow! What a powerful message to an oppressed person.

So, that's why I despise lefties, government control, socialism, and why I'm enamored with conservatism. :D


Bravo. :heart:

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but the lack of government doesn't mean lack of people judging your life


I hate some part of left because of the same reasons as you, namely liberal left, but I still like a big government that can provides basic needs to people.


It means, they can't keep you on a financial leash.

Liberals have an extreme, mental block, in which you cannot be moral, unless you're within their system of regulatory capture / debt peonage.


No, that stuff's in place to keep those in power in business or fiance from exercising power over the rest of us. And no, I don't believe those in such powerful but unelected positions are going to be moral on their own.


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26 Apr 2017, 8:05 pm

Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


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27 Apr 2017, 12:35 pm

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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.



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friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.


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27 Apr 2017, 5:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


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Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


For the above and more:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/de ... once-again

Never been a fan of Ayn Rand, The Libertarian Movement or Austrian Economics. The idea of "gold is the only real money", along with a few other dogmatic notions, define the movement. The most galling aspect of Libertarianism though is it's belief that Government is inherently evil because it takes away liberty. Where not to start...

Having looked over these notions, they feel like to me to be less intelligent than various alternatives out there. For Economics Alternatives the following list is presented for your interest.

[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Monetary_Institute"]Stephen Zarlenga[/quote]
[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Keen"]Steve Keen[/quote]
[quote url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hudson_(economist)"] Michael Hudson[/quote]


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27 Apr 2017, 7:48 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.


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27 Apr 2017, 8:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
Quote:
Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.

Ron Paul does the same thing.

" Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel earmarkers on Capitol Hill"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... 675daa1eaa

Asked about it, he said something like, it's not hypocrisy, I'm just getting back some of what my constituents put in.

Ayn Rand probably felt the same way.



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27 Apr 2017, 8:55 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
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Regulatory capture & debt peonage basically just reads 'casino' from where I'm sitting.


(My memory is getting spotty, at present, because I am in-processing and there is a barking dog.)

Ayn Rand spoke of objectivity, and there was a quote, in which a rich man says he has taken no risks.

What if there is a rule or guarantee.

We live in a world of cause and effect, in which everything can be itemized, monetized, and accounted.

There is no such thing as an unaccountable person; there is a hidden cause.

We give our power away, when choosing not to exploit the rules or whatever useful leverage.


The trouble with that is, people with the most power and resources are able to exploit the rules at the expense of the many. We have laws and regulations to protect us from the powerful, wealthy few.
Ayn Rand was a cold hearted harpy, and I find my ear drums turning off whenever I hear someone expounding on her so called wisdom.

Didn't the old bat wind up on welfare when she got old?


I don't know about welfare, but she was certainly on social security, which she had damned with every rasping breath in her mummified, hypocritical body.

Ron Paul does the same thing.

" Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel earmarkers on Capitol Hill"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... 675daa1eaa

Asked about it, he said something like, it's not hypocrisy, I'm just getting back some of what my constituents put in.

Ayn Rand probably felt the same way.


I doubt it, as she tried to hide that she was getting assistance.


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28 Apr 2017, 11:06 am

Let's say that she became completely dependent, to the point of being diapered and walked on a leash. Does that mean charity came with strings attached.

This is the saying about the beggar, who can't be the chooser; he isn't self-empowered. I an not shaming someone for their politics, per se. But, as a matter of Murphy's Law, dependency breeds more dependency.