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26 May 2017, 11:56 pm

Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter, Dies at 89


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28 May 2017, 11:17 am

My condolences go out to his daughter, Mika, who is a host on MSNBC.


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28 May 2017, 11:57 am

The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.



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28 May 2017, 10:10 pm

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The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


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28 May 2017, 10:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Go read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book on it, he laid out a lot of what is happening now back in 1997



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28 May 2017, 10:18 pm

Now the Devil has him. :twisted: I'm not sad at all. Good riddance to an evil man. :evil:



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28 May 2017, 10:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Yes, that sums it up well. NATO is far more than just a military alliance, but one of the many ways that the U.S. exerts control over Europe. It should be disbanded, cast into the rubbish bin of history where it belongs. It's a Cold War relic, utterly obsolete.



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28 May 2017, 10:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Go read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book on it, he laid out a lot of what is happening now back in 1997


And the Soviets were not dangerously expansionists in their own right? Consider the possibility that NATO was only reacting to Soviet, and later Russian, imperialism.


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28 May 2017, 10:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Go read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book on it, he laid out a lot of what is happening now back in 1997


And the Soviets were not dangerously expansionists in their own right? Consider the possibility that NATO was only reacting to Soviet, and later Russian, imperialism.


'The Grand Chessboard' is about how the US can keep global hegemony in the 21st century not about responding to Soviet/Russian aggression, so no you are wrong.



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28 May 2017, 10:36 pm

Lintar wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Yes, that sums it up well. NATO is far more than just a military alliance, but one of the many ways that the U.S. exerts control over Europe. It should be disbanded, cast into the rubbish bin of history where it belongs. It's a Cold War relic, utterly obsolete.


You do know that all of Europe would be in Russia's political orbit, then, don't you? Putin's intention doubtlessly is to replace democratic western governments in Europe with strongman puppet regimes that answer to him. You might be just fine with authoritarian rule, but I am not for us Americans, or our long time friends with whom we share cultural values.


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28 May 2017, 10:40 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Go read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book on it, he laid out a lot of what is happening now back in 1997


And the Soviets were not dangerously expansionists in their own right? Consider the possibility that NATO was only reacting to Soviet, and later Russian, imperialism.


'The Grand Chessboard' is about how the US can keep global hegemony in the 21st century not about responding to Soviet/Russian aggression, so no you are wrong.


Obama thwarted Russian expansion into Ukraine and elsewhere, which is why Putin hated him so much. That would not have been possible for Obama without that "global hegemony."


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28 May 2017, 10:42 pm

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Now the Devil has him. :twisted: I'm not sad at all. Good riddance to an evil man. :evil:


And what's so terrible about what he's done?


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28 May 2017, 11:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Grand Chessboard is a pretty good explanation of US foreign policy and why we countries like Ukraine and Syria so important to us, it illustrates the aggressive expansionist policies the US + allies have had against Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.


So Russia can do no wrong, and NATO can do no right, huh?


Go read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book on it, he laid out a lot of what is happening now back in 1997


And the Soviets were not dangerously expansionists in their own right? Consider the possibility that NATO was only reacting to Soviet, and later Russian, imperialism.


'The Grand Chessboard' is about how the US can keep global hegemony in the 21st century not about responding to Soviet/Russian aggression, so no you are wrong.


Obama thwarted Russian expansion into Ukraine and elsewhere, which is why Putin hated him so much. That would not have been possible for Obama without that "global hegemony."


You don't know what you are talking about, the Ukrainian issue is one brought on mostly by the EU/US who were trying to leverage Ukraine away joining a customs union with Russia in order to sign an association agreement with the EU. Ukraine's legal and democratically elected president decided against signing the agreement with the EU because they wouldn't let them be apart of the customs union at the same time but Russia ended up offering Ukraine more favorable terms. In comes George Soros who organizes these EuroMaidan protests with literal neo-Nazi shock troops who worship Stepan Bandera from western Ukraine and some mysterious snipers who shot at both protesters and security forces, government is violently overthrown by virulent anti-Russian extremists(their first move after taking power was to try to ban the Russian language) even tho half the country is Russofied. The East/West split in Ukraine was so stark it's obvious that Ukraine is an artificial country, Yanukovych won over 90% of the vote in eastern Ukraine and Crimea so I think their reaction is pretty understandable.



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28 May 2017, 11:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
You do know that all of Europe would be in Russia's political orbit, then, don't you? Putin's intention doubtlessly is to replace democratic western governments in Europe with strongman puppet regimes that answer to him. You might be just fine with authoritarian rule, but I am not for us Americans, or our long time friends with whom we share cultural values.


Actually, no, it wouldn't be. As for the comment of yours that "Putin's intention doubtlessly is to replace democratic western governments in Europe with strongman puppet regimes...", well, you should be working for one of the many Western intelligence agencies if you really do have the ability to read the mind of Vladimir Putin and predict his every move.

Too many people over the years (yourself included) have interpreted decisions made by various Soviet and Russian governments as "acts of aggression", whereas in the vast majority of cases their moves were purely defensive. Do keep in mind that the USSR/Russia has been invaded by more nations, from all directions, than any other nation on Earth. They don't, and never have had, big wide oceans to protect them from the likes of Ghenghiz Khan, Napoleon and Hitler. Security is a Russian obsession precisely because of this, because they understand that weakness in the face of the American/NATO threat will be taken advantage of.

Look - just compare a map of Europe from circa 1985 with one of today. What do you see? You see the eastward march of N.A.T.O., beginning with the anschluss of East Germany, then the fall of the other ex-Warsaw Pact nations like Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary, the destruction of Yugoslavia... need I go on? It's like Operation Barbarossa in slow motion (if you don't know about Operation Barbarossa, then bloody Google it).

Do yourself a favour, and stop imbibing the idiotic propaganda from CNN, Newsweek, Time and all of those other purveyors of war-mongering, neo-con crap. They're LYING to you about Russia.



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28 May 2017, 11:12 pm

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Lintar wrote:
Now the Devil has him. :twisted: I'm not sad at all. Good riddance to an evil man. :evil:


And what's so terrible about what he's done?


So... you don't know all that much about him. Well, find out. Do a bit of research on his life, and you will see.



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28 May 2017, 11:21 pm

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Obama thwarted Russian expansion into Ukraine and elsewhere, which is why Putin hated him so much. That would not have been possible for Obama without that "global hegemony."


"Russian expansion into Ukraine..." God, what rubbish! Do you mean "expansion" in the same sense as the theft of the territory of Texas by the U.S. from Mexico? Vladimir Putin hated Mr. Obama because Obama was a two-faced (bleep). He hated Ms. Clinton because he understood she was a Russia-hating bigot who would have started a world war within five minutes of assuming office. The world dodged a bullet when she lost to Donald Trump (not that I like him either, but he really was the lesser of the two evils).