Details of Russian Hacking in Leaked NSA Document

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07 Jun 2017, 3:19 pm

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We'll have to see how this investigation into Russian collusion in our election proceeds. It's possible that the results could be Watergate like; it's possible that all charges leveled at Trump will be debunked.

There are many Republicans who don't really care for Trump---but for different reasons than the Democrats. Some Republicans don't think Trump "goes far enough" as far as health care is concerned. At least some of these conservatives think that Trump is morally debased.

We shall see. It could end up either way, in my opinion.


I do not think Watergate like gets him removed. While the words trial and conviction are used impeachment is a political process not a legal one. I am positive Republican congresspeople loathe Trump and want Pence to president for many reasons. If they want to keep thier job they have to deal with a large segment of Republican voters. 96 percent of Trump voters would vote for him again despite the 2 years of relentless negative news that would have doomed any polition previous to 2015 dozens of times over.

What would it take to pry them away from him in enough numbers so Republican Senators would vote to convict? I am not sure him foaming at mouth or shooting people on fifth avenue would do it. Those pictures would be viewed as fake news created by a Trump hating media and the deep state at this point. That is where we are now. The vast majority of voters would be appaled and his approval ratings would be the lowest in history should those images emerge but that is not the voters that matter to Republican congress people. They would be faced with a choice of political suicide in the primaries or the general election if things go to that extreme.


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07 Jun 2017, 6:38 pm

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Even if a 4 year old could hack Podesta's emails, that hardly means doing it was justifiable. That's like saying, a 4 year old could have broken into my apartment.


No one that I know of is saying it was justified based on its simplicity. What is being said, is the way the apartment was broken into was so simplistic (let's say a spare key was used) that anyone, even a 4 year old could have done it.


Still, it sounds as if the DNC is being blamed for getting hacked.


Well that wouldn't be saying the scam was excusable. It is though pointing out cause and effect. There was woeful negligence and ignorance when it came to security measures. They do therefore share part of the blame.


Is a girl who gets raped to blame because she was wearing a short skirt?


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07 Jun 2017, 6:42 pm

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Ignoring this hack would also be a problem. Acting like Russia's all cool, when they clearly aren't.


Cold War never ended or so it seems... But I don't think they are ignoring it.

Arresting Reality Winning and the applicable search warrant. Is standard procedure because she committed a crime (separate from the hacks) and violated her security clearance. She will get a trial and so should Snowden.

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You guys on the right are at the very least excusing it.
As for Reality Winner: again, you guys embraced Snowden and Assange as long as they helped you against Obama and Clinton. But as soon as your Orange Messiah, and his boss in the Kremlin get the same treatment, you're up in arms.


What am I excusing? Did a hack happen? Sure, good chance Russia or just some other interested party. Was Trump involved? Doesn't appear so, no evidence of collusion.


The fact that Trump and company have been showing a whole lot of consciencness of guilt, especially with firing Colmy, speaks volumes that they are hiding something about this.


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07 Jun 2017, 7:56 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Is a girl who gets raped to blame because she was wearing a short skirt?


Why do you insist on put words in his mouth?

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The fact that Trump and company have been showing a whole lot of consciencness of guilt, especially with firing Colmy, speaks volumes that they are hiding something about this.


Trump is not under investigation and that was made clear in Comey's opening statement today. The firing of Comey should have happened under Obama, but that never happened. Funny enough, most people never herd of Comey until recently.



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07 Jun 2017, 7:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if a 4 year old could hack Podesta's emails, that hardly means doing it was justifiable. That's like saying, a 4 year old could have broken into my apartment.


No one that I know of is saying it was justified based on its simplicity. What is being said, is the way the apartment was broken into was so simplistic (let's say a spare key was used) that anyone, even a 4 year old could have done it.


Still, it sounds as if the DNC is being blamed for getting hacked.


Well that wouldn't be saying the scam was excusable. It is though pointing out cause and effect. There was woeful negligence and ignorance when it came to security measures. They do therefore share part of the blame.


Is a girl who gets raped to blame because she was wearing a short skirt?


That's a ridiculous analogy.

This is more like an intelligent able minded grown man willingly handing the keys to his company's file room to a total stranger, when he should have known better.

Or a business that doesn't use a burglar alarm and leaves it's doors and windows unlocked and has a sign out front that says 'feel free to rob us'.



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07 Jun 2017, 8:11 pm

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Trump is not under investigation and that was made clear in Comey's opening statement today. The firing of Comey should have happened under Obama, but that never happened. Funny enough, most people never herd of Comey until recently.


People who have unrealistic hopes pinned on this are going to be disappointed with the outcome.



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07 Jun 2017, 8:22 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Trump is not under investigation and that was made clear in Comey's opening statement today. The firing of Comey should have happened under Obama, but that never happened. Funny enough, most people never herd of Comey until recently.


People who have unrealistic hopes pinned on this are going to be disappointed with the outcome.


This is my conclusion for most the media and the people who believe it.

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07 Jun 2017, 8:24 pm

SH90 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Is a girl who gets raped to blame because she was wearing a short skirt?


Why do you insist on put words in his mouth?

Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact that Trump and company have been showing a whole lot of consciencness of guilt, especially with firing Colmy, speaks volumes that they are hiding something about this.


Trump is not under investigation and that was made clear in Comey's opening statement today. The firing of Comey should have happened under Obama, but that never happened. Funny enough, most people never herd of Comey until recently.

Trump being involved is very, very unlikely. That said firing Comey when he did was a foolish move if only because it raises questions as to why, and gives rise to things like conspiracy theories and the like-- an imaging problem he's going to have to deal with for a long time. It's like an unforced error in baseball. If Comey's the bumbling idiot both sides seem to think he is, Trump was better off with Comey in place as opposed to Mueller, who's an aggressive investigator and a boyscout by all measures. Along those lines, Trump would be wise to just get out of the conversation altogether and let his crisis team handle this, the less his name is combined with Russia investigation the better off he'll be. That's precisely what Bill Clinton did for 7 years and it worked magic for him, it could do the same for Trump if he had the discipline to stay on script.



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07 Jun 2017, 8:39 pm

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Trump would be wise to just get out of the conversation altogether and let his crisis team handle this, the less his name is combined with Russia investigation the better off he'll be. That's precisely what Bill Clinton did for 7 years and it worked magic for him, it could do the same for Trump if he had the discipline to stay on script.

This made me laugh. DJT has no measurable ability to stay out of conversations when he should.

The issue of Comey/Flynn revolves around obstruction of justice. If one of us asked a witness to a crime to let it go because the alleged criminal is a good guy, we would be obstructing justice. For a prosecutor's boss to ask a prosecutor the same is even worse, more like if we hinted we could get that witness fired from their job if they didn't let it go.

We actually need a Comey topic, and to let this one get back to Russian hacking. Here:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=345462

With the prepared testimony in full. Save the endangered click, or something.


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07 Jun 2017, 10:27 pm

Apparently, The Intercept let the NSA examine the document, or a copy of it, and that helped them find the printer it came from. A serious lapse of judgement on the part of the reporters, although you couldn't ask the NSA to comment on it, and then refuse to show them what you have. A conundrum.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/07/531956597 ... uilty-plea

Wikileaks is offering another reward. $10K for information leading to the public exposure and termination of the reporter.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/wikileaks- ... -intercept


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09 Jun 2017, 7:56 am

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The DNC servers used SSL encryption, which eliminates any kind of header spoofing (same encryption this site uses).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security


If that works so well, then why does this site currently have 7 pages (approx 350 entries) of spam from the same spammer who's been spamming here for years?



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09 Jun 2017, 8:36 am

EzraS wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
The DNC servers used SSL encryption, which eliminates any kind of header spoofing (same encryption this site uses).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security


If that works so well, then why does this site currently have 7 pages (approx 350 entries) of spam from the same spammer who's been spamming here for years?


SSL makes a 1 to 1 secure connection, meaning information can't be sniffed in transport between client and server since all information sent between those two devices is encrypted at that point. That means that when you post on WP when your browser sends that information no third party between you and WP can read that data while it's being transported.

This site gets so much spam because they allow anyone to sign up and post, truth be told once the bot has made an account here anything they send to WP is encrypted too. The problem WP has is no mechanism to prevent bots from signing up in the first place. It's as easy as a 'honey pot', about 15 lines of code that filter out bots at sign up. I've notified the relevant people here about the technique, including offering to set one up free of charge, but have never heard a response.



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13 Jul 2017, 10:52 am

The Intercept Buries The Lead

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/11/fir ... osecution/

Here's the opening paragraph:

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THE INTERCEPT’S parent company, First Look Media, has taken steps to provide independent support for the legal defense of Reality Winner, the NSA contract employee who was recently arrested in the first instance of the Trump administration using the 100-year-old Espionage Act to prosecute an alleged journalistic source.


Then, digitally "below the fold:"
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At The Intercept, we have also been carefully examining our own role in Winner’s predicament. Our reporting practices came under immediate scrutiny after the publication of our story as the Trump administration’s DOJ suggested in an unsealed affidavit and search warrant that it had gleaned clues about the leaker’s identity in part from our reporting. An internal review of the reporting of this story has now been completed. The ongoing criminal case prevents us from going into detail, but I can state that, at several points in the editorial process, our practices fell short of the standards to which we hold ourselves for minimizing the risks of source exposure when handling anonymously provided materials.

They seem to want to take responsibility, and I applaud that.


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