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Every time I see Richard Spencer, I feel he's acting. He's not authentic to me. Something about him- very narcissistic too. But i often wonder if he's actually a leftist that is trying to evoke a faux narrative of the alt right movement , or what liberals consider 'alt right'. Perhaps a well paid George Soros shill. Liberals lump everything "alt right" into race wars and identity politics. Which isn't really accurate. Richard Spencer is considered verging on Neo Nazi (he will deny this claim) , or talking about "white nationalism". The alt right movement was never really about that. But I wonder if its a ploy to draw in the white nationalists so they can trace and peg them onto the alt right. Could he be an imposter?


He's a nobody in charge of nothing who's managed to make a name for himself as bogeyman to the left.

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Pull your head out of the sand. The alt-right has always been a racist movement. The term "alt-right" was invented in 2008 by a white nationalist site called Alternative Right.


Oh well if it was invented on the internet.... No wonder it doesn't actually seem to exist outside of 4chan.



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Maybe, but it is clear from sites like Stormfront that people really believe this crap.


You're both right simultaneously. Most right-wing stormtroopers won't admit to those beliefs in public, but that doesn't mean they don't hold them. Instead they post them online where they feel braver and like they're surrounded by a like-minded community.


Really brave, those Stormfronters, and Daily Stormers. :P


Just because they're proud Nazis online doesn't mean they're actually proud to be a Nazi out in the real world were people might respond with more than trolling or name calling. This might play into the myth that they don't really exist, that in reality they're actually just too cowardly to deal with potential social ramifications like decent people choosing to disassociate from them.


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11 Jul 2017, 1:12 am

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Maybe, but it is clear from sites like Stormfront that people really believe this crap.


You're both right simultaneously. Most right-wing stormtroopers won't admit to those beliefs in public, but that doesn't mean they don't hold them. Instead they post them online where they feel braver and like they're surrounded by a like-minded community.


Really brave, those Stormfronters, and Daily Stormers. :P


Just because they're proud Nazis online doesn't mean they're actually proud to be a Nazi out in the real world were people might respond with more than trolling or name calling. This might play into the myth that they don't really exist, that in reality they're actually just too cowardly to deal with potential social ramifications like decent people choosing to disassociate from them.


Absolutely.


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11 Jul 2017, 1:36 pm

No.

He is not a fake charlatan.

He is an honest to God real...charlatan!



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No.

He is not a fake charlatan.

He is an honest to God real...charlatan!


:lol: !


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11 Jul 2017, 2:37 pm

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The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.



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11 Jul 2017, 2:58 pm

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The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


Republicans are pandering to leftists? Seriously? Last I saw, they want to take health care away from twenty two million Americans, and have no problem with voter suppression under the guise of combating voter fraud.
The Alt Right embraced Trump because of his talk about stopping immigration from Latino and Muslim countries, and the fact that he made use of their clearly racist memes.
Pat Buchanan is openly racist, and is a Holocaust denier.
Sure, there probably are Alt Right types who aren't white nationalists. But I have yet to hear any of them openly attack those that are racists, or at the very least try distancing themselves from said racists.


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11 Jul 2017, 5:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


Republicans are pandering to leftists? Seriously? Last I saw, they want to take health care away from twenty two million Americans, and have no problem with voter suppression under the guise of combating voter fraud.
The Alt Right embraced Trump because of his talk about stopping immigration from Latino and Muslim countries, and the fact that he made use of their clearly racist memes.
Pat Buchanan is openly racist, and is a Holocaust denier.
Sure, there probably are Alt Right types who aren't white nationalists. But I have yet to hear any of them openly attack those that are racists, or at the very least try distancing themselves from said racists.


Its almost as if you've been brainwashed to the point of no return, but I'll try and explain a few things. If you can briefly turn off NPR, CNN, and MSBNC for a minute or two ...

Republicans don't want to take away health care. They actually want to fix a broken system that was made even far worse by Obamacare. Also, earlier I was referring to establishment Republicans and "soft conservatives" such as Jeb Bush and his cohorts . George Bush, for example, pushed the "no child left behind act" which was something of a liberal policy. Now we have high school graduates that are barely literate. The alt right was a response to Neo- Republicans who were soft on immigration , who didn't believe in nationalism, who didn't want to secure our borders, and whom flip flopped on issues. Nationalism is not synonymous with "racism" , btw. But for some reason, liberals cannot differentiate. The liberal cries of "racism" is really deflection for their own racism and pandering. Donald Trump exposed voter fraud. He exposed the system. He wasn't supposed to win, either. He isn't illuminati. He beat them at their own game.

We need to protect the vision our Founding Fathers had for America. That didn't include Sharia law, and disregard for our Constitution. The violence of the leftists in recent years has been exposed. Their reactions were insidious, at first, but now have become an all and out war against American patriotism and values.



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11 Jul 2017, 9:33 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


Republicans are pandering to leftists? Seriously? Last I saw, they want to take health care away from twenty two million Americans, and have no problem with voter suppression under the guise of combating voter fraud.
The Alt Right embraced Trump because of his talk about stopping immigration from Latino and Muslim countries, and the fact that he made use of their clearly racist memes.
Pat Buchanan is openly racist, and is a Holocaust denier.
Sure, there probably are Alt Right types who aren't white nationalists. But I have yet to hear any of them openly attack those that are racists, or at the very least try distancing themselves from said racists.


Its almost as if you've been brainwashed to the point of no return, but I'll try and explain a few things. If you can briefly turn off NPR, CNN, and MSBNC for a minute or two ...

Republicans don't want to take away health care. They actually want to fix a broken system that was made even far worse by Obamacare. Also, earlier I was referring to establishment Republicans and "soft conservatives" such as Jeb Bush and his cohorts . George Bush, for example, pushed the "no child left behind act" which was something of a liberal policy. Now we have high school graduates that are barely literate. The alt right was a response to Neo- Republicans who were soft on immigration , who didn't believe in nationalism, who didn't want to secure our borders, and whom flip flopped on issues. Nationalism is not synonymous with "racism" , btw. But for some reason, liberals cannot differentiate. The liberal cries of "racism" is really deflection for their own racism and pandering. Donald Trump exposed voter fraud. He exposed the system. He wasn't supposed to win, either. He isn't illuminati. He beat them at their own game.

We need to protect the vision our Founding Fathers had for America. That didn't include Sharia law, and disregard for our Constitution. The violence of the leftists in recent years has been exposed. Their reactions were insidious, at first, but now have become an all and out war against American patriotism and values.


I'm not brainwashed. The fact remains, the Republicans had always opposed health care for all, and want to kick off everyone they think are deadbeats. By the way, what we know today as Obamacare had started life as a plan dreamt up by the far right Heritage foundation. Obama only went with it because he hoped he could get bipartisan support using a Republican plan.
Whether nationalism is racist or not, it certainly promotes "us against them." I much prefer patriotism to nationalism, as a patriot will not just tow the line, and say, "My country right or wrong, still my country."
There is zero chance of Sharia law coming to America! No, the founders didn't intend sharia to be included in the constitution, but they certainly did intend for freedom for absolutely every religion, including Islam. This obsession with an Islamic conquest of America definitely has a racial element to it, as white nationalists and racists, especially in the old slave states, associate skin color with "the other," and so identify skin color with the Muslim faith.
And violence by leftists? The only one I can immediately think of is that loony tune who tried to kill those senators. Al other domestic terrorists all come right wing Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, militia members. Timothy McVey certainly wasn't a liberal. Neither were those crackers who dragged that poor black man to death behind their pickup, in Mississippi.
Soft on immigration? Sounds like Alt Right nationalism to me.
As for illiteracy, the worst schools are in red states.


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rvacountrysinger wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


I'm aware not all alt-righters are white nationalists (Milo, for example), however it is a movement founded by white nationalists and dominated by them. You're right to tie them to paleo-cons, but paleo-cons also embrace white nationalism/white supremacism - David Duke helped Pat Buchannan's campaign in 2000 after all.

You seem to confuse the right becoming increasing more extreme and parts of the GOP not moving in lockstep with their base as the GOP shifting to the left. The right might be softening on a few social issues, but overall they're moving further into John Bircher Society, Klan and Ayn Randian lunacy and making 'extreme conservatives' of the 60s through 80s like Goldwater and Reagan appear moderate by comparison.


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13 Jul 2017, 7:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


Republicans are pandering to leftists? Seriously? Last I saw, they want to take health care away from twenty two million Americans, and have no problem with voter suppression under the guise of combating voter fraud.
The Alt Right embraced Trump because of his talk about stopping immigration from Latino and Muslim countries, and the fact that he made use of their clearly racist memes.
Pat Buchanan is openly racist, and is a Holocaust denier.
Sure, there probably are Alt Right types who aren't white nationalists. But I have yet to hear any of them openly attack those that are racists, or at the very least try distancing themselves from said racists.


Its almost as if you've been brainwashed to the point of no return, but I'll try and explain a few things. If you can briefly turn off NPR, CNN, and MSBNC for a minute or two ...

Republicans don't want to take away health care. They actually want to fix a broken system that was made even far worse by Obamacare. Also, earlier I was referring to establishment Republicans and "soft conservatives" such as Jeb Bush and his cohorts . George Bush, for example, pushed the "no child left behind act" which was something of a liberal policy. Now we have high school graduates that are barely literate. The alt right was a response to Neo- Republicans who were soft on immigration , who didn't believe in nationalism, who didn't want to secure our borders, and whom flip flopped on issues. Nationalism is not synonymous with "racism" , btw. But for some reason, liberals cannot differentiate. The liberal cries of "racism" is really deflection for their own racism and pandering. Donald Trump exposed voter fraud. He exposed the system. He wasn't supposed to win, either. He isn't illuminati. He beat them at their own game.

We need to protect the vision our Founding Fathers had for America. That didn't include Sharia law, and disregard for our Constitution. The violence of the leftists in recent years has been exposed. Their reactions were insidious, at first, but now have become an all and out war against American patriotism and values.


I'm not brainwashed. The fact remains, the Republicans had always opposed health care for all, and want to kick off everyone they think are deadbeats. By the way, what we know today as Obamacare had started life as a plan dreamt up by the far right Heritage foundation. Obama only went with it because he hoped he could get bipartisan support using a Republican plan.
Whether nationalism is racist or not, it certainly promotes "us against them." I much prefer patriotism to nationalism, as a patriot will not just tow the line, and say, "My country right or wrong, still my country."
There is zero chance of Sharia law coming to America! No, the founders didn't intend sharia to be included in the constitution, but they certainly did intend for freedom for absolutely every religion, including Islam. This obsession with an Islamic conquest of America definitely has a racial element to it, as white nationalists and racists, especially in the old slave states, associate skin color with "the other," and so identify skin color with the Muslim faith.
And violence by leftists? The only one I can immediately think of is that loony tune who tried to kill those senators. Al other domestic terrorists all come right wing Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, militia members. Timothy McVey certainly wasn't a liberal. Neither were those crackers who dragged that poor black man to death behind their pickup, in Mississippi.
Soft on immigration? Sounds like Alt Right nationalism to me.
As for illiteracy, the worst schools are in red states.



ITS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE:

Under Obamacare, any individual over the age of 55 in the event of an emergency, would not recieve life saving surgery. This would be to cut costs on people they consider "disposable". Under Obamacare, people would not be allowed to choose their own Dr. I know several people who lost great health insurance because of Obamacare. The premiums under Obama's plan were outrageously expensive. If you didn't want Obamacare, you could be fined, or even face jail time. What kind of system is that? Republicans are trying to fix it so that people can afford healthcare without increasing our already burgeoning national debt.



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13 Jul 2017, 10:27 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The term alt-right has always been a cover term to help with mainstreaming reactionary, white nationalist, illiberal ideology. He's only at odds with this movement if you've convinced yourself the alt-right wasn't always about making neo-Nazis the dominant force on the right.

If you wish to avoid being seen as a fellow traveller with people who are fairly described as Nazis, maybe it's time to consider getting out of their box car instead of trying to insist the people who built the box car are only there to make their fellow travellers look bad.

Are alt-right sympathizers who try to pretend they're not participating in a white supremacist movement shills or dupes? They're clearly one or the other.


But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican. The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


Republicans are pandering to leftists? Seriously? Last I saw, they want to take health care away from twenty two million Americans, and have no problem with voter suppression under the guise of combating voter fraud.
The Alt Right embraced Trump because of his talk about stopping immigration from Latino and Muslim countries, and the fact that he made use of their clearly racist memes.
Pat Buchanan is openly racist, and is a Holocaust denier.
Sure, there probably are Alt Right types who aren't white nationalists. But I have yet to hear any of them openly attack those that are racists, or at the very least try distancing themselves from said racists.


Its almost as if you've been brainwashed to the point of no return, but I'll try and explain a few things. If you can briefly turn off NPR, CNN, and MSBNC for a minute or two ...

Republicans don't want to take away health care. They actually want to fix a broken system that was made even far worse by Obamacare. Also, earlier I was referring to establishment Republicans and "soft conservatives" such as Jeb Bush and his cohorts . George Bush, for example, pushed the "no child left behind act" which was something of a liberal policy. Now we have high school graduates that are barely literate. The alt right was a response to Neo- Republicans who were soft on immigration , who didn't believe in nationalism, who didn't want to secure our borders, and whom flip flopped on issues. Nationalism is not synonymous with "racism" , btw. But for some reason, liberals cannot differentiate. The liberal cries of "racism" is really deflection for their own racism and pandering. Donald Trump exposed voter fraud. He exposed the system. He wasn't supposed to win, either. He isn't illuminati. He beat them at their own game.

We need to protect the vision our Founding Fathers had for America. That didn't include Sharia law, and disregard for our Constitution. The violence of the leftists in recent years has been exposed. Their reactions were insidious, at first, but now have become an all and out war against American patriotism and values.


I'm not brainwashed. The fact remains, the Republicans had always opposed health care for all, and want to kick off everyone they think are deadbeats. By the way, what we know today as Obamacare had started life as a plan dreamt up by the far right Heritage foundation. Obama only went with it because he hoped he could get bipartisan support using a Republican plan.
Whether nationalism is racist or not, it certainly promotes "us against them." I much prefer patriotism to nationalism, as a patriot will not just tow the line, and say, "My country right or wrong, still my country."
There is zero chance of Sharia law coming to America! No, the founders didn't intend sharia to be included in the constitution, but they certainly did intend for freedom for absolutely every religion, including Islam. This obsession with an Islamic conquest of America definitely has a racial element to it, as white nationalists and racists, especially in the old slave states, associate skin color with "the other," and so identify skin color with the Muslim faith.
And violence by leftists? The only one I can immediately think of is that loony tune who tried to kill those senators. Al other domestic terrorists all come right wing Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, militia members. Timothy McVey certainly wasn't a liberal. Neither were those crackers who dragged that poor black man to death behind their pickup, in Mississippi.
Soft on immigration? Sounds like Alt Right nationalism to me.
As for illiteracy, the worst schools are in red states.



ITS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE:

Under Obamacare, any individual over the age of 55 in the event of an emergency, would not recieve life saving surgery. This would be to cut costs on people they consider "disposable". Under Obamacare, people would not be allowed to choose their own Dr. I know several people who lost great health insurance because of Obamacare. The premiums under Obama's plan were outrageously expensive. If you didn't want Obamacare, you could be fined, or even face jail time. What kind of system is that? Republicans are trying to fix it so that people can afford healthcare without increasing our already burgeoning national debt.


What insane cross burning crackers have you been listening to?!?!?!
No one has been denied emergency room care, regardless of age, let alone life saving surgery.
Sure, they weren't able to keep their promise about being able to choose your own doctor, but that has more to do with insurance companies refusing to honor Obamacare.
Some have seen their insurance payments go up under Obamacare, but that's nothing new compared to before it. But I seriously doubt anyone has been denied insurance.
Sure, you could be fined for refusing Obamacare (the whole idea was to bring in money from healthy people in order to help those who otherwise couldn't or wouldn't be given insurance), but absolutely no one has been jailed for not taking it.
No, the republicans don't want health care for all, as they have always opposed what they termed "socialized medicine." They want to cover as few people as possible, because they believe people needing help are deadbeats, or are too weak for the country to care about.


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Its almost as if you've been brainwashed to the point of no return, but I'll try and explain a few things. If you can briefly turn off NPR, CNN, and MSBNC for a minute or two ...



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ITS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE:

Under Obamacare, any individual over the age of 55 in the event of an emergency, would not recieve life saving surgery. This would be to cut costs on people they consider "disposable". Under Obamacare, people would not be allowed to choose their own Dr. I know several people who lost great health insurance because of Obamacare. The premiums under Obama's plan were outrageously expensive. If you didn't want Obamacare, you could be fined, or even face jail time. What kind of system is that? Republicans are trying to fix it so that people can afford healthcare without increasing our already burgeoning national debt.


It's a little ironic that you're accusing others of being brainwashed while demonstrating an utter disconnection from reality. Pass the kool-aid.


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14 Jul 2017, 11:51 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican.


Trump is an establishment Republican. He makes himself look unique, but he's just like the other blowhards in terms of policy making.

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The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


"trying to pander to the leftists" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mexican immigrants do a ton of work. They actually don't take that much welfare.
That's why the Republican Party has been "pandering to the pro-immigrant crowd" for quote some time now. The party is run by businessmen who want more employees.

Remember: Lobbying and bribery are so common that our votes are nearly meaningless. That's capitalism in a nutshell.

Wake the Hell up. The Republican Party is run by billionaires who, above all, want to accumulate wealth. This explains their pro-immigrant behavior much more adequately than the "pandering to leftists" narrative. Why would they "pander to leftists"? Where's their motivation?

See? This is why the "alt-right" can never win. They are ignoring Power Dynamics 101. The ruling class is always going to support mass immigration in order to make a profit.


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15 Jul 2017, 4:22 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican.


Trump is an establishment Republican. He makes himself look unique, but he's just like the other blowhards in terms of policy making.

Quote:
The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


"trying to pander to the leftists" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mexican immigrants do a ton of work. They actually don't take that much welfare.
That's why the Republican Party has been "pandering to the pro-immigrant crowd" for quote some time now. The party is run by businessmen who want more employees.

Remember: Lobbying and bribery are so common that our votes are nearly meaningless. That's capitalism in a nutshell.

Wake the Hell up. The Republican Party is run by billionaires who, above all, want to accumulate wealth. This explains their pro-immigrant behavior much more adequately than the "pandering to leftists" narrative. Why would they "pander to leftists"? Where's their motivation?

See? This is why the "alt-right" can never win. They are ignoring Power Dynamics 101. The ruling class is always going to support mass immigration in order to make a profit.




And Bernie and Hillary are establishment Demokkkrats!
That is truth. Trump is not establishment . The Republicans didn't want him as president. Their boy was Jeb Bush... or even Marco Rubio.



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15 Jul 2017, 5:05 pm

rvacountrysinger wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
But it depends on who you ask. Richard Spencer himself claims he coined the phrase "alt right". But many have come to the alt right movement because they were fed up with Neo Cons such as George Bush and establishment Republicans. Donald Trump was embraced by the alt right because he wasn't an establishment Republican.


Trump is an establishment Republican. He makes himself look unique, but he's just like the other blowhards in terms of policy making.

Quote:
The Republican party today has become more and more liberal and trying to pander to the leftists. The ideals of the alt right are more in line with the paleo conservatives- such as Pat Buchannan. The alt right is also a Spectrum. Yes, there may be a faction of alt right who are "white nationalists" but that doesn't speak for the entirety of the alt right movement.


"trying to pander to the leftists" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mexican immigrants do a ton of work. They actually don't take that much welfare.
That's why the Republican Party has been "pandering to the pro-immigrant crowd" for quote some time now. The party is run by businessmen who want more employees.

Remember: Lobbying and bribery are so common that our votes are nearly meaningless. That's capitalism in a nutshell.

Wake the Hell up. The Republican Party is run by billionaires who, above all, want to accumulate wealth. This explains their pro-immigrant behavior much more adequately than the "pandering to leftists" narrative. Why would they "pander to leftists"? Where's their motivation?

See? This is why the "alt-right" can never win. They are ignoring Power Dynamics 101. The ruling class is always going to support mass immigration in order to make a profit.




And Bernie and Hillary are establishment Demokkkrats!
That is truth. Trump is not establishment . The Republicans didn't want him as president. Their boy was Jeb Bush... or even Marco Rubio.


What does Demokkkrats supposed to mean? The modern day Democratic party has supported civil rights legislation, whereas white southern Democrats switched parties during the Nixon and Reagan years, out of racial resentment for civil rights. Ask any Klansman how he votes, and I'm willing to bet real money he votes a straight Republican ticket. Proof that the Democrats and Republicans of old aren't the same as today is revealed in how so many Republicans demonize their first American President, Abraham Lincoln, who is today embraced by liberals.


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