Is there anyone on here who doesn't like progressivism?

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Call here if you are someone who thinks progressives or identity politics is a bunch of BS. I think the concepts, progressives and identity politics are related, but they aren't the same. And some people will jump on here and say that I'm lumping "progressives" into one group. I don't really agree, but fair then. I'll just describe them and their ideology as people who think "the struggle is never over" and keep on moving past, changing the goal post through time.

There is just something about this concept that scares me about progressives.

Imagine if it was 20 years from now unacceptable to reject/disagree or say anything about fat people, using today's analog of disagreement or saying anything about gays or people of another race?

But I can't be the only one a little frightened by this, can I?

"When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the label of Communism; we will not take it under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been speared too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under Liberalism, under Progressivism, under Democracy. But take it we will."

~ Alexander Trachtenberg, at the National Convention of Communist Parties, Madison Square Garden, 1944

Anyone who falls for the "Progressive" label is a gullible dupe. It's just a code word for Marxism.

Why do you hate justce? If you only hate the people working for justice, then put them out of a job!

I take it that Liberalism and Democracy are also tools of a Communist takeover, as mentioned in the quote?

Progressive used to mean exactly that, and I would have been happy to call myself progressive. Not anymore. It's regressive now.

Identity politics is awful, harmful garbage.

Progressive; another contradicting label courtesy of the mess pile that is identity politics.

Along with other words like liberal, racist, sexist. These used to mean what they're supposed to mean. Now people call themselves liberal when moderate conservatives are more liberal than they are. People call you racist and sexist when they themselves are the ones who are racist and sexist. People who call for segregation by race and say it's racist to oppose that! People calling you sexist when you don't want men to be stripped of their positions to make way for women, just so we can have equal numbers of dicks and vaginas regardless of who is qualified for that job or whether there's like ten men wanting that job for every one woman.

I'm agender/genderqueer.

I don't give a damn if it's considered part of "identity politics." I've identified as such for the past ten years, and I first became aware of the "genderqueer" label in the late 90s.

Just sayin'.....

I don't think anyone minds that too much in the thread XFG.

The gripe appears to be more with the politics and ironic terminology that follow any set identity rather than the identity itself.

I'm not a progressive or a liberal but I fully embrace identity politics as a far left winger. I can't stand either respectability politics or dog whistle politics so representation is top priority for me.

It's still legal to say nasty things about gays and minorities as long as you don't do it in public.

Source: 4chan and 8chan are still legal in basically every country with hate speech legislation.

Most politically correct people don't want to shut down "free speech" everywhere. They just want to protect minorities from harassment. The vast majority of liberals aren't seriously trying to shut down every hate site.

Seriously. This is what everyone does. We all think nasty things about the people who we interact with on a daily basis. We don't tell them about how much we hate the in public. We just rant about them on the dark corners of the internet later on.

That's life.

Well maybe some day the anti-progressives will end all welfare programs to help the poor and disabled, that seems just as disturbing of a thought. Also not really sure how identity politics and progressive is the same thing...progressive at its basis is about progress in society like making things better. I mean what is it you want to say about fat peope or gays or people of other races that you're afraid will become unacceptable? I myself don't really think it should be seen as acceptable to discriminate against gays or people of other races for instance...I don't think someone should be thrown in jail if they ever say something negative in regards to it...but I certainly don't think society should be accepting of someone spewing hate towards gays or a specific race of people for instance.

Like with most things too much of a good thing is a bad thing. An example is the reason most of us are here. "Aspie/Autistic" "pride" is a good thing for people who hate themselves because they "have autism". Thinking all NT's have a "hive mind" or are engaged in a conspiracy of oppression against autistic people is counterproductive.

Anti-progressive =/= anti-welfare.

Before I continue, I'm going to point out the necessary distinction between little-p "progressive", as characterised by a desire for reform, change and improvement and big-P "Progressive", a political identity. The former is a characteristic shared by anyone who proposes we should change "x" in order to achieve "y", the latter describes individuals and groups who are engaging in tribalism.

I'm going to assume the OP is referring to big-P "Progressives" as the argument otherwise doesn't make too much sense.



Big-P Progressives, on the other hand, focus almost exclusively on social reforms in the form of <insert race/religion/social background> is oppressed/is oppressive, that we should give <insert race/religion/social background> special treatment.



I thought it had nothing to do with identity politics? Your argument is at odds with itself.

I can't speak on behalf of K_Kelly, but I stand with the SCOTUS when it comes to "hate speech".



Which "society" are we talking about here? Your bio states that you live in Colorado. What law would you like to see enacted in order to achieve your goal of making "society" intolerant of discrimination on the basis of sexuality or race?

Do you not appreciate the irony of you defending progressivism on the grounds that it is not the "same thing" as identity politics, yet your entire supporting argument revolved around discrimination on the basis of race and sexuality? Surely an element of progress is moving past issues that were decided upon decades ago. This is why Progressives are referred to as "Regressives"; they're actively pushing for division on the grounds of race, sexuality, religion, etc in a manner that is entirely antithetical to the vision laid out by genuine civil rights champions such as MLK.

It isn't the people pushing for segregation who promote division? This argument seems bound to head down the rabbit hole.

By telling me I can't discriminate against people, you're discriminating against me! Standard stuff.

Well, being fair, I will say that I don't really believe any law could or should "make" society or certain groups intolerant of discrimination on the basis of sexuality or other group factors. I don't fully subscribe to all those views either, but this is being said because, no matter how many laws the governments or society make to punish discrimination, people still discriminate because they simply want it to happen. I think I made that part clear.