Why The Judaeo-Christian God Makes No Sense to Me
You say I argue like a child, while not showing what you are referring to, and while ignoring the simple request I made for you to show what exactly you were claiming in terms of objective morals, and you answer by trying to link Gnostic Christians and myself, I guess, to Nazis.
Who be the child here, child?
Regards
DL
What if nature was designed by a supreme being? That's what I want to talk about.
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God creates knowing that the vast majority will take the wide road to hell and only a few will take that narrow path to heaven.
DL
Yes it creates elitism. That is part of the reason why Gnostic Christianity is a Universalist religion and cannot discriminate against women and gays the way Christians do.
We also have no need to lie to our people and invent false concepts like hell to create false fear to loosen the purse strings of the gullible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY
Regards
DL
Who be the child here, child?
Regards
DL
There is no point continuing. You do not even want to understand Christians, Christianity or the history of Christendom.
My final comment on this: There is a link between Gnosticism and the Nazis, there was a revival around the time and it is said to have influenced Hitler's thoughts as much as Nietzsche. While it was partly because the Cathars hated Jews about as much as they did, it was mainly because Gnosticism puts man above God. When man is the being who decides what is moral and righteous, man can and will twist it to his liking, just as they did. That is why it is inferior to any belief system that takes morality out of reach of men's hands.
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
Who be the child here, child?
Regards
DL
There is no point continuing. You do not even want to understand Christians, Christianity or the history of Christendom.
My final comment on this: There is a link between Gnosticism and the Nazis, there was a revival around the time and it is said to have influenced Hitler's thoughts as much as Nietzsche. While it was partly because the Cathars hated Jews about as much as they did, it was mainly because Gnosticism puts man above God. When man is the being who decides what is moral and righteous, man can and will twist it to his liking, just as they did. That is why it is inferior to any belief system that takes morality out of reach of men's hands.
Selective memory.
Hitler's banker was the Vatican Bank.
Man has always set the morals in this world, given that there is no God popping up to say otherwise.
Natural law says that the ideal of any species is one of their species.
Christians or other religious that do not recognize that and the fact that their laws are man made are showing how stupid they are.
Regards
DL
Those neat little categories are an invention of finite humans. How an infinite being would categorize things I'm not going to try to guess.
That the nuclear family is considered "natural" for humans is independent of what animals do - animals are not humans.
Re:
Reality: When we kill off an animal species, it stays dead.
I don't recall the Bible much if, at all, addressing the matter of extinction beyond being connected to the flood event and preservation of those species.
And that a species goes extinct when all are killed is a logical cause and effect, that's the expected result.
why would a loving and all-powerful god allow one, let alone thousands, of children to starve in africa? surely someone with infinite power could do better.
Yahweh is a hands off type of God, unless killing us of course. The bible has him doing a lot of that.
How dare the clay pot ask why Yahweh the potter created it with a hole that leaks and then destroys it for leaking.
Regards
DL
Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.
Someone who does not have the will or intellectual capacity to even begin to understand this concept, should not be calling other people stupid.
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.
Someone who does not have the will or intellectual capacity to even begin to understand this concept, should not be calling other people stupid.
I agree on both counts.
Not for a supernatural God though. That would be quite stupid. Right?
I do like the Gnostic Christian and Karaite Jew ideas of God though. One who is subservient to man and what the ancients called a Divine Council.
This view goes well with the Buddhist adage that if you meet God, kill him.
Regards
DL
Have I summed up your attitude accurately?
It appears you don't understand the concept of a hypothetical argument. He is referring to God as he/she/it is described in the Abrahamic religious texts he is familiar with. THAT particular god does not make a whole lot of logical sense. If that god exists and is the creator of the universe, then why is the creation so messy and cruel.
Modern-day atheists, with their lame arguments, make me want to do this -
Regards!
Ummm. Why do you assume anyone who doesn't accept organized religion is a nihilist? Also, why when you supposedly "rejected atheism", did you automatically jump to Christianity? If are truly interested in "truth", why do they always go for the religion they just happen to be born into. Why not investigate EVERY religion equally? Why not just say "screw it" and come our own religion?
Who be the child here, child?
Regards
DL
There is no point continuing. You do not even want to understand Christians, Christianity or the history of Christendom.
My final comment on this: There is a link between Gnosticism and the Nazis, there was a revival around the time and it is said to have influenced Hitler's thoughts as much as Nietzsche. While it was partly because the Cathars hated Jews about as much as they did, it was mainly because Gnosticism puts man above God. When man is the being who decides what is moral and righteous, man can and will twist it to his liking, just as they did. That is why it is inferior to any belief system that takes morality out of reach of men's hands.
morality is ALWAYS in men's hands. just because someone says they get their morals from god doesn't mean the man didn't give his own moral code to his god. i can't quite remember the female author's name, but the quote goes something like, " i'm always wary of someone saying they know the will of god as it often turns out to be just what the believer wants."
In the reductivist sense, yes. But it's the difference between writing rules on mile-high tablets of stone and giving each man a piece of paper and a pen to write his own rules. One system will be much more susceptible to corruption by the whims of the moment (which is not to say the other is immune).
Here we are living in a fairly secular society that says that not only that killing babies is not wrong, but it's a moral good because we don't want more poor people around. To add icing to the cake, having justified such heinous acts, the moralists will often scoff at the idea of anyone needing a commandment not to commit murder. Welcome to the land of pen and paper.
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
In the reductivist sense, yes. But it's the difference between writing rules on mile-high tablets of stone and giving each man a piece of paper and a pen to write his own rules. One system will be much more susceptible to corruption by the whims of the moment (which is not to say the other is immune).
Here we are living in a fairly secular society that says that not only that killing babies is not wrong, but it's a moral good because we don't want more poor people around. To add icing to the cake, having justified such heinous acts, the moralists will often scoff at the idea of anyone needing a commandment not to commit murder. Welcome to the land of pen and paper.
fetuses are NOT babies.
I'm opposed to late term abortions in most cases, and the reason has nothing to do with religion as I have no religion. On the other hand, nowhere in the bible is there any mention of abortion being murder. It isn't even a religious issue.
Anyways, even if secular moralists get it wrong once in a while on certain issues, I'd much rather live in a society guided by their morals than one guided by religious fanatics. I'm much more afraid of moral systems that supposedly come from a "higher source" when they prescribe killing of homosexuals, adulterers, people who leave the faith, etc...
I know Christians no longer believe in following those types of rules, but such rules supposedly came from a divine source at some point in history (according to the Bible). It's ridiculous to assume Islam has absolutely nothing in common with ancient Judaism. I mean, even the Romans regarded the Jews in Jesus' time as obnoxious backwards religious fanatics.
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