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24 Sep 2017, 10:21 pm

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Most people, I find, want to address the issues--but don't want to disrespect the National Anthem.
kneeling isn’t disrespectful... it’s a gesture of submission or reverence. if disrespect is their actual intent, they’re doing it wrong.


It's disrespectful to those who served or those who believe in our country. A good portion of their fan base served in the military and are deeply offended. Don't piss off your customer base, this will bite them in the ass in the long run.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:23 pm

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^^^^ people [one social group] think they can force others [another social group] to conform to them, when in reality their [first group] violent response will only make the other group more determined to refuse to conform. if they really wanted to disrespect the patriotic flag salute thing, they'd collectively turn their backs during it.


Please send that message to Black Lives Mater 8)



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24 Sep 2017, 10:32 pm

SH90 wrote:
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Most people, I find, want to address the issues--but don't want to disrespect the National Anthem.
kneeling isn’t disrespectful... it’s a gesture of submission or reverence. if disrespect is their actual intent, they’re doing it wrong.


It's disrespectful to those who served or those who believe in our country. A good portion of their fan base served in the military and are deeply offended. Don't piss off your customer base, this will bite them in the ass in the long run.

What's more important standing for the flag or upholding the ideals the nation is founded upon, because that's basically what the argument is here. There's the flag and then there's the principles of the nation, if given a choice I'll go with the principle of free speech over bowing for a piece of fabric any day. Speech and protest in this country predate the country and thus the flag itself, it's the spark plug that started the Revolutionary War and is as American as one can get, and it's precisely what so many soldiers gave their lives for, not an inanimate object.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:40 pm

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What's more important standing for the flag or upholding the ideals the nation is founded upon, because that's basically what the argument is here. There's the flag and then there's the principles of the nation, if given a choice I'll go with the principle of free speech over bowing for a piece of fabric any day. Speech and protest in this country predate the country and thus the flag itself, it's the spark plug that started the Revolutionary War and is as American as one can get, and it's precisely what so many soldiers gave their lives for, not an inanimate object.


Already discussed (Page 2), our freedom of speech is limited when you are being employed and/or on private property.

This is a PR nightmare and disrespectful to their fan base, who typically bleed football and country. I see it as a liability, where they should be fired and replaced for someone who will stand with their team and our country. After all, they are participating in a private event, while being employed by a corporation that solely depends on the revenue created by their fan base; even sponsors cares what the fans think.



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24 Sep 2017, 10:55 pm

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Its his denial of it in his own country

Where have I denied this in Australia? I agree with your sources and am not stopping anybody from posting sources/links and giving constructive feedback on Australia but this thread was created about Trump's usual "one sided" approach to anything to do with race. Feel free to start a thread (I know nobody will because Australia is insignificant in international affairs whereas your country is "numero uno" on the global stage)

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.and constantly vilifying us.

What is this with "us" does everyone cranky about my posts think they are tethered to Trump or the far right?

I just can't figure how why you are so fascinated with the problems we have.
I guess it's what you can expect if you're "numero uno".
Anyway I'm glad to see other players kneel on the news today.


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24 Sep 2017, 11:05 pm

SH90 wrote:
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What's more important standing for the flag or upholding the ideals the nation is founded upon, because that's basically what the argument is here. There's the flag and then there's the principles of the nation, if given a choice I'll go with the principle of free speech over bowing for a piece of fabric any day. Speech and protest in this country predate the country and thus the flag itself, it's the spark plug that started the Revolutionary War and is as American as one can get, and it's precisely what so many soldiers gave their lives for, not an inanimate object.


Already discussed (Page 2), our freedom of speech is limited when you are being employed and/or on private property.

This is a PR nightmare and disrespectful to their fan base, who typically bleed football and country. I see it as a liability, where they should be fired and replaced for someone who will stand with their team and our country. After all, they are participating in a private event, while being employed by a corporation that solely depends on the revenue created by their fan base; even sponsors cares what the fans think.

Your speech is only limited on the job if your employer says so, the NFL has allowed said speech so the private property/business argument is a moot point. As for your second argument, you are correct, it's a business and as a citizen you're only ability is to protest yourself by not supporting the product. As for the military, virtually every player that's knelt has said it's not about disrespecting the service, or the country, it's about drawing attention to the issue of police violence and only that. But go ahead and boycott, liberals actually win this one either way: Option A. the boycott is ineffective showing the right is a toothless tiger or B. the boycott is effective and the right joins a lot of liberals who started tuning out about 4 years ago when CTE became an issue, and a lot of them want nothing more than for the game to end due to that issue alone.



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24 Sep 2017, 11:53 pm

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Has Trump done anything he promised to do prior the US election? what positive things has he done for the country?

Welp, I'll not be taking that bait, t'day----but, why should YOU care?

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Withdrawal from the TPP and Paris accord is not universally seen as a positive step for the US and have been criticised by Australia's conservative government.

So? Who CARES? You seem to be forgetting that one of thee main reasons, Mr. Trump became president, was because of his MAGA philosopy----NOT, make the WORLD, great again!!

So there is no problem as the world becoming hell as long as one country is all right.
Some form of nationalism are really disgusting.


Yes, American first.
Since we're so terrible I don't see why anyone would want our money. And yes, U.S. participation in the Paris Accord was about our money.


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25 Sep 2017, 12:06 am

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I just can't figure how why you are so fascinated with the problems we have.

A strong America means a strong Australia. Plenty of us living down under (71%) don't think Trump is all that good for America or (for that matter) bilateral relations
http://www.news.com.au/world/only-29-pe ... d854287748



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25 Sep 2017, 12:20 am

Why do non-Americans care about American politics? It might be because American foreign policy is ruining the whole world.

Europe is currently going through a refugee crisis. It's all America's fault. If America hadn't destabilized the Middle East, this would not have happened.

Additionally, the global economy is very interconnected thanks to globalization. What happens in one country affects every other country. We all need to think globally at this point.

Plus, why do American conservatives criticize North Korea? Why do they label Scandinavia a "socialist Hell"? Don't dish it out unless you can take it.

"None of your business" my ass!


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25 Sep 2017, 12:24 am

DMK I'd say something but I have been muzzled



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25 Sep 2017, 12:25 am

It's not in the NFL's contract that they have to stand for the anthem.
http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/ ... ba_pl.html


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25 Sep 2017, 12:26 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I just can't figure how why you are so fascinated with the problems we have.

A strong America means a strong Australia. Plenty of us living down under (71%) don't think Trump is all that good for America or (for that matter) bilateral relations
http://www.news.com.au/world/only-29-pe ... d854287748

I don't think Trump is good for anything.I wanted Bernie.


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25 Sep 2017, 12:47 am

Misslizard wrote:
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I just can't figure how why you are so fascinated with the problems we have.

A strong America means a strong Australia. Plenty of us living down under (71%) don't think Trump is all that good for America or (for that matter) bilateral relations
http://www.news.com.au/world/only-29-pe ... d854287748

I don't think Trump is good for anything.I wanted Bernie.

Yeah it's a great pity Bernie Sanders didn't get the nod ahead of Hillary Clinton, do you think he will be able to come back in 4 years and have another try?



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Yeah it's a great pity Bernie Sanders didn't get the nod ahead of Hillary Clinton, do you think he will be able to come back in 4 years and have another try?

yes


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25 Sep 2017, 1:08 am

cyberdad wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I just can't figure how why you are so fascinated with the problems we have.

A strong America means a strong Australia. Plenty of us living down under (71%) don't think Trump is all that good for America or (for that matter) bilateral relations
http://www.news.com.au/world/only-29-pe ... d854287748

I don't think Trump is good for anything.I wanted Bernie.

Yeah it's a great pity Bernie Sanders didn't get the nod ahead of Hillary Clinton, do you think he will be able to come back in 4 years and have another try?

I sure hope so.


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25 Sep 2017, 2:25 am

This thread is rife with personal attacks and posts that cause conflict with other members (in this case anyone on the "wrong" side of some posters' political views and anyone posting (political) news from a foreign country.
Criticizing politicians and other public leaders is allowed on WP. Attacking their followers is not, nor is attacking or insulting other members here.
All WP members can discuss politics, regardless of where they or said politician(s) live.

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