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16 Dec 2017, 5:48 pm

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Yes but different species can interbreed so different races interbreeding doesn't mean races don't exist. Racial purity is a myth however we are mixed between many races.

Within a species there is geographical and selection pressures that promote certain characteristics (height, pigmentation and bone structure)



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17 Dec 2017, 5:46 am

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race is essentially phenotypical differences and how a society perceives them when ever two groups came across each other they would notice they looked different.

These differences were exaggerated so that even up to the 1960s many people believed Africans were closer to apes, indeed research in the 1980s by Hernstein & Murray suggested Africans had lower IQs was an attempt to masquerade racist claims as legimitate scientific research, it has been debunked as an attempt to legitimize old beliefs that African brains were primitive


Yes racism is real but noticing that other races exist doesn't equate to racism. Most people believed what they were told because they had no interaction with other races.

Yes but this is geographically/socially defined (not biologically)


Its phenotypically defined largely which itself is determined by biology.



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17 Dec 2017, 4:13 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
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race is essentially phenotypical differences and how a society perceives them when ever two groups came across each other they would notice they looked different.

These differences were exaggerated so that even up to the 1960s many people believed Africans were closer to apes, indeed research in the 1980s by Hernstein & Murray suggested Africans had lower IQs was an attempt to masquerade racist claims as legimitate scientific research, it has been debunked as an attempt to legitimize old beliefs that African brains were primitive


Yes racism is real but noticing that other races exist doesn't equate to racism. Most people believed what they were told because they had no interaction with other races.

Yes but this is geographically/socially defined (not biologically)


Its phenotypically defined largely which itself is determined by biology.

Within a species phenotype can be determined by environmental pressures. Keep in mind that biologists already know that genetic diversity within a race can exceed differences between races within the same species. The application of race in modern society does not (therefore) have scientific basis. White people choose to classify somebody with one grandparent who is African-American as "black" is purely subjective and a socio-cultural construct derived from the old "one drop rule"



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17 Dec 2017, 5:32 pm

No its not "white people" who choose to follow the one drop rule its some white people and some black people also. The one drop rule only really existed in the US and that was for a very short period of time. Race still does have a scientific basis its just that scientists use the term ethnicity to be more specific.



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17 Dec 2017, 6:00 pm

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No its not "white people" who choose to follow the one drop rule its some white people and some black people also. The one drop rule only really existed in the US and that was for a very short period of time. Race still does have a scientific basis its just that scientists use the term ethnicity to be more specific.

I'm afraid it's not just the US. Throughout the "anglosphere" ethnic purity is followed like a dog breeder obsessed with pure breeds at a dog show. It's just in the US you have a larger non-white minority who represent a bigger threat to the perception of social cohesion



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17 Dec 2017, 6:08 pm

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some black people also.

The African American community inherit the very rules they despise
People with one African great grandparent automatically call themselves black. Barak Obama was claimed as African American when in fact he had virtually nothing to do with his father and grew up with a white mother/grandparents and entirely white friends. Even his father has no historic/cultural connection to the African American experience.

On the flipside - The same black Americans who talk about the white man as "evil" and the importance of finding a black partner will themselves seek out a light skinned partner with strong caucasian features because they (without realising) have internalised the mainstream white American culture which influences their own preferences

racism is very powerful and nobody is immune



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17 Dec 2017, 6:25 pm

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No its not "white people" who choose to follow the one drop rule its some white people and some black people also. The one drop rule only really existed in the US and that was for a very short period of time. Race still does have a scientific basis its just that scientists use the term ethnicity to be more specific.

I'm afraid it's not just the US. Throughout the "anglosphere" ethnic purity is followed like a dog breeder obsessed with pure breeds at a dog show. It's just in the US you have a larger non-white minority who represent a bigger threat to the perception of social cohesion


Many of the British upper class are distantly mixed race the product of marriages with Indian women, many of them are descended from Abram Petrovich Gannibal an african/russian noble. Many wealthy American families had native American blood. In Australia they have the stolen generations, where the government wanted to breed out the black where they wanted mixed race aboriginal children to interbreed and become part of white society.



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17 Dec 2017, 7:09 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
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No its not "white people" who choose to follow the one drop rule its some white people and some black people also. The one drop rule only really existed in the US and that was for a very short period of time. Race still does have a scientific basis its just that scientists use the term ethnicity to be more specific.

I'm afraid it's not just the US. Throughout the "anglosphere" ethnic purity is followed like a dog breeder obsessed with pure breeds at a dog show. It's just in the US you have a larger non-white minority who represent a bigger threat to the perception of social cohesion


Many of the British upper class are distantly mixed race the product of marriages with Indian women, many of them are descended from Abram Petrovich Gannibal an african/russian noble. Many wealthy American families had native American blood. In Australia they have the stolen generations, where the government wanted to breed out the black where they wanted mixed race aboriginal children to interbreed and become part of white society.

Yes this is all true and (oh dear) does spoil one's pedigree (Diana Spencer had a distant East Indian ancestor)

With ancestry.com and 23 & me you can actually trace these ancestors I think as far back as 10,000 yrs



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18 Dec 2017, 6:03 pm

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It really depends what you class as a race

You answered your own question...there is no scientific basis for race- designation is subjective
Only racist Europeans ask for this information on census forms or job applications


If there is no such thing as race then there is not such thing as racism. There is a scientific basis for race, just recently scientists use the term Ethnicity exclusively.


As different varieties of humanity can intermix and produce viable offspring, it proves there is only one race - - the human race.

It's interesting the alt-right is recycling old ideas of racial purity instilling feat in middle America their daughters will be seduced by hip-hop culture


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Young kids have to like that stuff, it gets forced on them in the mainstream.


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18 Dec 2017, 6:03 pm

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No the caste system was based on race and your race determined what jobs your were allowed to do. People have been aware of the concept of race since they met other member races and seen that they look different.

It's a projection by the European colonists that appearance + caste = race
In India upper caste hindus come from generations of people who due to their social status spent more time indoors compared to lower castes who's occupations mean't they were exposed to the hot Indian sun. It's not rocket science that endogamy (caste marriage barriers) means over time their appearance changes through selection.

However these caste barriers are only 2000 yrs old, India is much older. The highest brahmin to the lowest pariah share most of their genes...they had concepts of tribes then caste/religion but not race...


When did you stop supporting colonialism?


We live in (what Huxely called) a brave new world


What's that got to do with what I asked?


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18 Dec 2017, 6:23 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
It really depends what you class as a race

You answered your own question...there is no scientific basis for race- designation is subjective
Only racist Europeans ask for this information on census forms or job applications


If there is no such thing as race then there is not such thing as racism. There is a scientific basis for race, just recently scientists use the term Ethnicity exclusively.


As different varieties of humanity can intermix and produce viable offspring, it proves there is only one race - - the human race.

It's interesting the alt-right is recycling old ideas of racial purity instilling feat in middle America their daughters will be seduced by hip-hop culture


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Young kids have to like that stuff, it gets forced on them in the mainstream.


How is Hip Hop - or anything for that matter - being forced on them?


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18 Dec 2017, 8:09 pm

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How is Hip Hop - or anything for that matter - being forced on them?

Apparently (I have heard) "boogie woogie" music is highly infectious and even the most discerning lady or gentleman is unable to control their lustful urges when one hears the insidious rhythm from the dark continent.

Kraichgauer we must protect our daughter's chastity lest they succumb to the wicked devil's music :wink:



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18 Dec 2017, 8:32 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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No the caste system was based on race and your race determined what jobs your were allowed to do. People have been aware of the concept of race since they met other member races and seen that they look different.

It's a projection by the European colonists that appearance + caste = race
In India upper caste hindus come from generations of people who due to their social status spent more time indoors compared to lower castes who's occupations mean't they were exposed to the hot Indian sun. It's not rocket science that endogamy (caste marriage barriers) means over time their appearance changes through selection.

However these caste barriers are only 2000 yrs old, India is much older. The highest brahmin to the lowest pariah share most of their genes...they had concepts of tribes then caste/religion but not race...


While I have no doubt that Brahmans stayed out of the sun instead of toiling outside, it must be remembered that they and the various warrior castes are descendants of fair skinned, blue eyed Indo-Europeans. .


I doubt that.

The Aryan invaders of India were NOT "Aryans" (in the modern Hitler sense of the word meaning "Nordic"). THey were Aryan in the sense of speaking the Aryan branch of the Indoeuropean languages. They were Iranians who looked like modern Iranians. Relatively light colored compared to the Dravidian population of modern southern India, but not "blonde and blue eyed". They were beige brown eyed folks. The original inhabitants of India presumably looked like the modern nonAryan language speaking folks of south India who are as dark as sub-Saharan Africans.



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18 Dec 2017, 9:41 pm

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No the caste system was based on race and your race determined what jobs your were allowed to do. People have been aware of the concept of race since they met other member races and seen that they look different.

It's a projection by the European colonists that appearance + caste = race
In India upper caste hindus come from generations of people who due to their social status spent more time indoors compared to lower castes who's occupations mean't they were exposed to the hot Indian sun. It's not rocket science that endogamy (caste marriage barriers) means over time their appearance changes through selection.

However these caste barriers are only 2000 yrs old, India is much older. The highest brahmin to the lowest pariah share most of their genes...they had concepts of tribes then caste/religion but not race...


While I have no doubt that Brahmans stayed out of the sun instead of toiling outside, it must be remembered that they and the various warrior castes are descendants of fair skinned, blue eyed Indo-Europeans. .


I doubt that.

The Aryan invaders of India were NOT "Aryans" (in the modern Hitler sense of the word meaning "Nordic"). THey were Aryan in the sense of speaking the Aryan branch of the Indoeuropean languages. They were Iranians who looked like modern Iranians. Relatively light colored compared to the Dravidian population of modern southern India, but not "blonde and blue eyed". They were beige brown eyed folks. The original inhabitants of India presumably looked like the modern nonAryan language speaking folks of south India who are as dark as sub-Saharan Africans.


That is true.


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18 Dec 2017, 9:44 pm

The Donald has not declared war on anyone. 1. Israel is a sovereign nation and can determine what its capitol is. 2. The United States is a sovereign nation can can determine the manner it will treat with other nations. Trump has made a legal determination to recognize Israel designation of its capitol. The decision is legal under U.S. law and it is aligned with normal diplomatic practice.

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18 Dec 2017, 9:44 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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How is Hip Hop - or anything for that matter - being forced on them?

Apparently (I have heard) "boogie woogie" music is highly infectious and even the most discerning lady or gentleman is unable to control their lustful urges when one hears the insidious rhythm from the dark continent.

Kraichgauer we must protect our daughter's chastity lest they succumb to the wicked devil's music :wink:


And if white girls get jungle fever, they might marry Neil DeGrasse Tyson (only the coolest scientist alive)! :lol:


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