Why SJWs are our foes and not friends

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Anything promoting conformity to a certain way of thinking is bad for us and regressive left ideology fits the bill.

These "Social Justice Warriors" are misguided and harmful. They create highly entitled professional 'victims' who expect to be free from any offense, and they engender a stifling atmosphere where all individuals walk on eggshells lest they might commit a linguistic capital crime. Political correctness is SJW propaganda writ small. In my informal study of conformist cultures, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of SJW propaganda is not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponds to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies (i.e., a person who refuses to earn a living has the same 'right' to a life of wealth and privilege that someone else earns for themselves), or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of having strong moral principles (i.e., honesty, decency, ethics, et cetera). To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with subversion, and in some small way to become subversive oneself. One's standing to resist self-deception is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of people who live solely by socially-acceptable lies is easy to control. I think if you examine the Social Justice Warriors, you will already see that the effect has taken hold of them.

I agree with the points made so far. Political correctness in colleges has gone way too far. It's one thing to be respectful, and another thing to obsess over social "microagressions," the entire meaning of which and how to spot them can be lost on autistic people. Alienating people for committing small social errors that violate a strict code of politically correct rules is damaging to the average person, let alone autistic people who can easily make social mistakes.

I'll put it like this......

A long time ago the left wing of the political spectrum was characterised by a firm belief in equality, socio-economic mobility, Individualism, free markets, and the minimal state designed to keep order and provide basic services (nightwatchmen's). Classical Liberalism was to reign triumphant from the 17th century right up to the mid 19th century.

Soon the political left was joined by those who call themselves socialists. Unlike, classical liberalism they believed in the impossible notion of equal outcomes (outcome is determined by both individual merit and the market, it cannot be enforced without placing stringent regulations and heavy taxation which is also needed for social welfare.)

The political right on other hand was determined to resist the winds of change for like the socialists on the other side of the barricade they too wished to expand the state for their own ends in order to safeguard tradition, the monarchy, and the church against the forces of secularism, socio-economic mobility, and liberty.

By the end of the 19 century classical liberalism would no longer characterise the political left and would find itself in decline before nearly vanishing during the great war.

The irony of it all was that the same forces that fought for the erosion of privileges confined to the landed and empowered for liberty's sake were replaced by those with socialist creditials who wished to expand the state in order to enforce the impossible dream and by doing so they ensured their conservative opponents by creating new and thus egalitarian privileges for formerly marginalized groups at the expense of the majority who make up the taxpayers and the traditionally liberal middle class along with the establishment of the welfare state which bred a new form of dependence thus killing the will to improve ones lot through hard work and fiscal responsibility something which defined the living standards of time and still does.

So why aren' SJWs our friends and why are they our hated foes? Simple, we wish to minimize the state and in the case of a few on the libertarian right like myself abolish it as such while they wish to expand it at others expense.

Here in the UK we actually has laws against speech, I worry that the most vulnerable in our society will be the biggest victims of these laws.

I think the worst thing about them would be this - if we really take them, and their feelings, seriously then we have to give up on science and let China take the lead on science and innovation while we go toward being some sort of strange equivalent to a puritanism without a deity. With any luck we could get ourselves economically on par with India or Brazil, the 5x, 10x, 20x tags will start showing up in shop windows, and we may need to break out the sandstone gravel to preserve our roads before the infrastructure collapses. Gad Saad has commented on the hit that science takes under this regime of thought regularly, as has Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather Heying. The moment we say that science is a specifically white endeavor and criticize minorities for going into it not have we completely lost track of the target for progress but getting even further into the details of the madness and absurdity what are we going to do? Call Neil Degrasse Tyson an uncle Tom? It's absolutely dreadful and it's the kind of thing that leads to dreadful culture collapses eventually (or at least complete incapacity to deal with real disasters rationally - which aren't a matter of if but when every decade or so).

What might bother me a bit more about it still, why do you think it took off so well or had so much public sphere lubrication? If I were to take a wild guess, not conspiracy but more like subconscious collusion or mutual interest, is that big bureaucratic governments love this sort of thing because such requests for the government to play mom, dad, or chaperone is a huge shot in the arm for HR and complicating/convoluting human rights such as speech make for more overhead the way tax code complexity grows the IRS and the tax accountancy field. In some ways I think we do have to look at group dynamics sometimes as organisms in and of themselves and ask what kinds of alliances get formed merely on dynamics tending to their own survival and growth or even being more mindful of their growth than any purported mission statement they state or any actual added benefit they offer

In my experience, if you really want to Do Freedom of Expression Fully, you must be prepared to do it on your own.

And Freedom of Expression, surely isn't limited to Human Speech.

And not everyone who is so uptight about Public Requirements not to offend others with Guidelines of speech understand what Freedom of Expression really is beyond just talk away from actually do.

For Example as far as Equal Outcomes go; both Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have no idea what Freedom of Expression fully is as they use their Judaeo Christian Ideologies to Supersede what Freedom of Expression even is, at most base level of Human Existence; namely Art and Sex.

Yes, specifically Jordan Peterson and his support of his so-called mainstay of Fans as they are Pejoratively Termed Incels for those who are Involuntarily Celibate for Women are not attracted to them, like that's not their issue and someone else's issue to Correct. Jordan Peterson in some ways tells them they are responsible for that; good on him that way.

So, Jordan Peterson suggests we Beef up our Efforts for Society to Shame folks who don't want to stick with one Mate and go the Monogamous Route, to leave more Potential Mates for the so-called Incel Demographic of his Male Target Audience for what he Brings to the table for the sad state of affairs they do live in now. And Jordan doesn't even have the common sense not to use a term like 'Forced Monogamy' that cuts to the Base of restrictions of Human Freedom of Expression in even choosing how many mates Folks enjoy Sexual Activity with, and enforcing Equal Outcomes too.

As far as Ben Shapiro, another Champion of so-called Free Speech; He basically comes out and calls Adriana Grande an Animal in a very Artful Representation of the old Mythological Story of the Female Divine Fertility of what a Woman Brings to the Table as part of God for all for the Eggs she holds. She actually Portrays herself as an Egg to get the Job done. Ben Shapiro Doesn't understand Metaphor, so I'll give him a Pass on the Lack of a Major Potential of Human Intelligence.

Nope; neither one of them understand Freedom of Speech Fully; not even at
the most rudimentary level of Freedom of Expression; once again, namely Art and Sex.

Personally, for me, I put big Boy pants on a long time ago. Nothing bothers me at all, but true I had to grow up too, eventually too. And as far as what the Big Boy and Girl Rules are in Public Institutions and Public Places of what you can and cannot say; if you don't learn this eventually, chances are you won't have any lasting friends. More than two is almost by Definition Group think. You Learn the Group think and do as the 'Romans do' or get prepared now to Go your own way. I go my own way, and the Women wherever I go, Love it, at least as far as Public Dance goes and that pisses off the "Perennial Incels" who stay Wall Flowers in all the Dance and Poetry of Life.

In other Words as metaphor if you wanna attract both Women and Live Fearless better learn
Ballet and Martial arts too. Additionally, better learn to suck up the rules if you wanna stay in
School and or Work.

This Entire Internet Site is the most 'Butt Hurt' group of so-called Social Justice Warriors who
Demand you go by their Freedom of Expression rules that I have encountered anywhere on the
Internet and even the First Baptist Church. But Again that's Still Human Nature at core what folks
say they Believe in and what they Actually do in effect are often almost Divorced from each other.

But at least Joe Rogan wasn't drinking the Jordan Peterson Cool Aid and pointed out to him that Equality of Outcome of Studs against Incels was the same issue of so-called Leftists who don't even do that now as they only want Equality of Opportunities; Sure a minority of that Demographic Does but Generalization of Absolutes in Black and White Thinking is also Common and General amongst more Left Brain Metaphor thinking folks who just don't get metaphor at all, like Ben Shapiro as yes he failed miserably on that point recently, again, as mentioned above.

They are all fascinating to me; I'm not afraid to watch stuff that I see as totally ridiculous, just
to study the Human Condition all the way across what it continually changes to be; never boring.

The Folks who are able to Navigate all the Rules in Life and Beat the System at Hand win; I don't
Work for any System now; I Work the Nature of me; some folks call that God in them too. And nah,
it doesn't make a difference to me when I Public Dance if the Women call me Legend or the Men
Frown with a Disgust as they are all just Human Slobs like me doing the best they will to either Dance or Walk.

And to be clear, I'm using a Freer 'Rain' of Terms here; just to see who the Social Justice Warriors are here and who they aren't. More Advanced Humans just ignore what they don't agree with or Write a Poem or two just for fun.

Life is a Whole Lot better when you don't see other folks as foes. Life is Better when you just try to understand them and get along the best you can and will. But it's true, a Little Dark Spice in Life Inspires the Light too. Stay thirsty, as i say too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

I feel very disappointed because I identify myself with the left, but in recent years, I got very disappointed with it. Most young people who become prominently vocal about social justice at some point assume they used to be bullies. I start to feel that all political movements are just something for extroverted people, in both sides... and they don't really have some high ethics and moral, they just use the discourse as is better for them.

You feel disappointed? Heh. I am disappointed that apparently you can't say anything anymore without inserting a feel or two in every sentence, even when it's completely redundant, because what the rest of the words describe is already a feeling. It seems facts don't exist anymore.

If someone feels like they're taking a knife by the handle—lest they feel the keen feeling of the unfeeling blade tearing apart their feely flesh, but feel no worry: it's just a feeling, or so I feel!—and then, feelingly, feel they're cutting someone else's throat, and feel the warmth of the latter's blood splashing over their feely hands, both will feel like the latter soon won't feel anything anymore, because it'll feel like they're dead. Just a feeling, amirite? I feel the hope that the judge feels for the former's feelings and doesn't feel like sending them to one of those places where it feels like you soon won't feel anything, either, because I feel that'd feel massively unfeely! Don't you feel likewise? I hope you do, or I feel I'll have to kick your feely butt outta the feely, I mean, safe space, for feel's sake.

Activism would be fine if rational and self-aware agents were doing it. Unfortunately we don't have any of those, we just have humans.

I was thinking about this more on my lunch break after trying to listen to a George Lakoff lecture. He seems like a sharp guy, almost like half a 'trying to develop into' Robert Sapolsky, and he almost gets there but it seems like his own bias (against moderates of all things) seems to nip him in the end and he just gets exposed as a partisan. It seems like, if we were V6 engines, in terms of search for truth, nearly all of us are firing on only two or three cylinders. A few are firing on four or five, five in particularly is rare. I'd give george maybe 3 1/2, the Weinstein brothers and Harris closer to 5. Past that - we just can't hack it, we're social animals and being social animals our sense of truth is convoluted by social image and worship of Conformitas beyond much of any possible way out.