Do you think governments hate those on the spectrum?

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20 Oct 2019, 2:59 pm

So first, straight after diagnosis they send me where trucks shake houses and sirens dig into brains. Then after retaliating by threatening them they relent for a few years, now I'm back within siren hearing distance. YEARS I spent without a single siren.

I think this is how murderers are made...



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20 Oct 2019, 3:15 pm

I have read this twice and I still have no idea of what you mean.


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20 Oct 2019, 3:33 pm

I think Weirdness the OP has a severe sound sensitivity & the governmental system has put this person in place that is hard for them to live.

To answer the question in the title, I don't know, but I do think that there are varying degrees of knowledge regarding the spectrum so some local governments may be helpful, others may not. On the national and global levels, I don't know.


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20 Oct 2019, 3:51 pm

I don't think governments neccessarily hate anyone. It is just by nature that specialists (Who are through being specialists not that numerous) will most likely be positioned in the most populated areas through the convenience of reaching as many people as possible. Benefit systems also try to provide for the masses while trying to be designed so that those who are trying to commit fraud can be found out... They also try to find boxes for people to fit into so they can make it all work well.

The problem many of us face is we don't really fit into a clearly defined box... And most of us will shy asay from cities, towns and areas of population if we had a choice... And we tend to be quite different to say the least.
So if we have needs they can be difficult to understand and to provide for... The very first aspect is to understand the needs.

For example. I have now noticed two local shops (One is a large retail chain store and the other is a small store selling shoes) that have signs up that they have an autism hour. The large store said tey turn off the music and dim the lights in the autism friendly hour which is one day a week. I didn't ask what day it is.
However, if I look to my own sensitivities which I used to be able to almost ignore when I was younger, but seem to have become more apparent as I am middle age, I don't think I am light sensitive. I am a little sound sensitive in that if I find the music too loud I won't stay in the store. (In the past I have had to work in stores which had a loud music only policy. It was horrible!)
I am sensitive to certain smells which do cause me to start shutting down and I notice this mostly in clothes shops and carpet shops... Neither of which I tend to go in anyway... Some shops that happen to sell a few clothes as well seem fine. But a dedicated clothes shop... Well. The quicker I can go in, buy something and then get out the better! It has something to do with the new clothes smell. Somehow secondhand clothes don't smell as much so are less of a problem.
The other smell that really gibes me issues is bleach and the clean medical smells. That often gives me big problems.
And some other aspects come to mind which cause me issues is shops with tall but narrow isles, and any crowded shop.

So to be honest, if a lot of autistic people come and try to shop at the same time during the friendly hour it is an issue for me... The smell issue... Nothing shops can do except try to use big fans to blow away the new clothes and carpet smell. I love the feel of standing next to a fan... It feels soo good! :mrgreen:


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20 Oct 2019, 3:52 pm

Sorry. I have gone off topic in my last reply.


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20 Oct 2019, 8:10 pm

I would suggest that the problem is that there are so many potential areas which can cause problems, but which do not affect all people on the spectrum, which is the difficulty.

Some examples:
Some cannot stand loud music, others don't mind.
Some cannot stand sirens (or other sounds), others don't mind.
Some cannot stand bright lights, others don't mind.
Different quantities of people affect each of us differently (and can be dependant on situation: Outdoors, in a large area, or in a small shop/room)
Different smells affect us all differently (some like smells that others want to get as far from as possible).

And if you were to have details for each of these items, how would they be measured, and who would be measuring these (particularly as many are not "constant", instead varying in intensity over time)?

Plus, would you want to go through the process of finding your specific limits for any/all areas for which any one person on the spectrum had an issue, particularly if you were extremely sensitive to any of them - or force others to endure the same? Not to mention (for the tin-foil hat brigade) what could happen if the "wrong" people got this information...



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20 Oct 2019, 10:12 pm

To answer the topic question:

Hopefully to some degree it depends on the kind of government.

I very strongly believe that autistics wouldn't last five minutes under a Communist government. Why? I can only take myself as an example, but I wouldn't be convincing trying to pretend I liked and agreed with a government that I despised. Also, since childhood, I've had a HUGE problem with blindly following any authority that isn't reasonable, ethical, fair or heavy handed. My disdain would be obvious. It would be death or gulag city for me and for my fellow autistics.



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21 Oct 2019, 6:24 am

Governments hate us because we don't conform. f**k authority, and f**k the norm.


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21 Oct 2019, 6:49 am

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21 Oct 2019, 8:19 am

Weirdness wrote:
Do you think governments hate those on the spectrum?
"Hate"? No ... I think it's more like collective indifference.

Sure, there may be a minority of government workers who feel a sense of glee every time they assign a wheelchair-bound person to an upper-story apartment in a building with a broken elevator; but overall, I think that most bureaucrats really just don't care.


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21 Oct 2019, 9:02 am

Fnord wrote:
Weirdness wrote:
Do you think governments hate those on the spectrum?


"Hate"? No ... I think it's more like collective indifference.


I agree with that. We're probably only about 1% of all of the people that vote, and have specific life-challenges most people don't recognize. Governments serve the majority and address issues that affect that majority, so we as a small group quietly fall through the cracks.


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21 Oct 2019, 9:24 am

Most people, frankly, don't know that "high-functioning autistic people" even exist.



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21 Oct 2019, 12:26 pm

JimSpark wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Weirdness wrote:
Do you think governments hate those on the spectrum?


"Hate"? No ... I think it's more like collective indifference.


I agree with that. We're probably only about 1% of all of the people that vote, and have specific life-challenges most people don't recognize. Governments serve the majority and address issues that affect that majority, so we as a small group quietly fall through the cracks.


Talking about falling through the cracks... If I am on the spectrum, I have been one who for most of my life fell through the cracks in the cracks if that makes sense! :lol:

I realize the difficulties though. I was fortunate in that until I hit my late 30's I was such an expert at masking... I am not surprized that I fell through the cracks. I would probably have made a good spy... :P


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21 Oct 2019, 1:23 pm

Why would the government give enough of a s**t about autistics to HATE us and then put us in places they know we dislike? This is so dumb. We're no more hateable or more important than any other group of people with difficulties.

Sometimes the council gets it wrong when it comes to housing and placement.



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21 Oct 2019, 1:34 pm

Yes they do, just like they hate anyone who is disabled and not a wealthy, heterosexual, cisgender, superficially attractive-looking white person. They believe such people are a threat to the well-being and health of society. The hate groups know this and that the government is on their side. The government pretends not to hate and care about us, but it's faker than an orange tan. Speaking of fake orange things... :x



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21 Oct 2019, 3:22 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Yes they do, just like they hate anyone who is disabled and not a wealthy, heterosexual, cisgender, superficially attractive-looking white person. They believe such people are a threat to the well-being and health of society. The hate groups know this and that the government is on their side. The government pretends not to hate and care about us, but it's faker than an orange tan. Speaking of fake orange things... :x


That it such a load of s**t that I don't even know where to begin, so I'm not going to bother.