J.K. Rowling is a disgusting TERF

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The site won't let me post if I use a lot of links or quotes so I'll cite examples without links- it is quite easy to find them.

You've been insulting me as a matter of routine for months. You have used the word "Walrus" eight times on this site, and five of those posts contain personal attacks against me.

In the last year or so you have started behaving much more sensitively to accusations of bigotry regardless of you they are aimed at or why. It has reached the point where as soon as anyone is accused of bigotry, you'll reflexively defend them even in very straightforward cases. I remember you as the guy who hated Ted Cruz's religious homophobia but my impression is that at some point you just flipped over and started describing all accusations of bigotry as "militant", "intolerant", "dangerous", etc. I don't think you'd appreciate it if I tried to ascribe a motivation to you, so I will avoid that as far as possible.

I'll also be absolutely clear that I don't think you (or anyone really) truly "is" transphobic, although I'll maybe say that because y'know, casual discussion and I think people understand what I mean. But people can say and do transphobic things, sometimes out of total ignorance, sometimes even benevolently (e.g. the "Melting Pot" song). That doesn't mean there's something inherently transphobic about them. It doesn't necessarily mean that they want trans people to die or anything like that. But we when we have opinions which others perceive as bigoted then they are within their rights to tell us, and it's good practice to try and remember that we will inevitably have blindspots.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like the search function indexes posts from before 2014 so I can't find any of my old cringeworthy posts where I say things that I'd now consider bigoted (I particularly remember one post where I say I am "uncomfortable around crossdressers but respect their right to exist" or something). But I don't doubt that even now I have serious blindspots. Naturally, them being blindspots makes it hard for me to spot them. My attitude towards communists, maybe.

I think others have given a good rundown of things you've said that are transphobic. The idea that trans women are not women, that trans women represent a threat to cis women, that trans inclusion damages women's rights, calling trans rights "trans ideology", engaging in whataboutery to justify transphobia, repeatedly called trans women "biological males", and saying that an article regurgitating common garden transphobia note-for-note is "valid concerns". I don't think you're the sort of person who would deliberately try to make trans people's lives a misery, and I hope I'm right. I do think, however, that your views are comparable to someone saying that being gay is an insult to God's will.

That is a really nice sentiment. But I guess you are saying that people are allowed to be bigots. And I am saying sure, I am not going to call for someone to be locked up for bigotry. But you can expect organizations that support such things are helping to endorse that, which is why an organization can have a good reason to not renew a contract with a person if they are perceived as an open bigot.



People said the same thing about the early (and current) feminist movement. Saying that they are being belligerent in trying to get women into male workplaces, and authoritarian in telling men ways that they cannot treat women. You had men saying that there a biological reasoning like women cannot do math or become a doctor, or would be a distraction to the men in the office as they have trouble focusing. Sometimes to create change you have to stop being nice, because whether you are aware there is a perception problem.



Just you do not see something as transphobic, does not mean that it isn't. Someone could say something racist, homophobic or sexist, and not realize what they said was problematic, because to them it is natural and true. I am not going to force you to do anything, but you probably should be listening a bit if you are being told beliefs that considered normal for decades are starting to be questioned. I posted those two videos above that gave some good explanations why people are upset at Rowling and ready to name her a transphobe, it isn't people just acting irrational and angry.



I believe that I have already talked about movements can change where someone may have been an ally before can later see themselves labelled as an enemy. Those who said that said women should be allowed to work could be sexist if they don't think them equal, someone who says anyone can love who they want are homophobic for not supporting gay marriage, those who said anyone can dress how they want are now transphobic for not recognising a person as their gender, and someone who supports trans people can be called truscum if they don't believe in non-binary people. I have seen discussion that there are gay/lesbian people that don't believe that bisexual people are real, and so discriminate against them. I am new to the whole thing, but there is actually a huge amount of drama in the whole LGBT umbrella, one can easily say they support them, but still hold beliefs that many would see as problematic.

I'm not generally too concerned with what others perceive as "problematic," especially considering the fascist methods that are being used to silence debate. I may change my opinions in the future. But it won't be at the barrel of the cultural authoritarians' gun.

I think I've been pretty reasonable in this thread.

So, you can say that people are acting fascist, but other people can't say that maybe your view is a bit bigoted?

If you don't care about what others perceive as "problematic", maybe they don't care about what you see as "problematic"?

No one is silencing you. No one is silencing Rowling. Calling her a transphobe is not some evil fascist method. If anything it combating the fascist point of view that "sex is real" and it can't change and gender means, and saying that is not up for debate.

What is it that you think the debate is, and what is being silenced?

Do you think it is right to shame people who hold opinions that differ from your own?  Do you think that it is right to meet every opposing opinion with accusations of racism, sexism, or other forms of bigotry?

Keep in mind that many wealthy, white, evangelical Christians accuse anyone who disagrees with Trump of being not only "Liberal" and "Socialist", but "Demonic" as well.

Is that the kind of "discussion" you see as right?

That is a loaded question. By that logic you can't call anyone or their beliefs bigotted.

And no, I have not been just calling anyone who has a different opinion to mine a bigot, I rarely use such a word, pretty sure a few pages ago that I make no such accusation to anyone in this thread, rather than not educated on the topic. I have and can link a number of videos of why this case with how this Rowling being labeled a transphobe is not out of nowhere and not made without good reason.

These arguments are not just like crazy people who believe in Trump like some sort of divinity, those are people who simply want to follow their celebrity without critical thinking. If anything many people are disappointed that they have to call Rowling such. Although this has been after a history of Rowling liking Tweets of people that called transwomen "men in dresses", which plenty of people are in agreement is pretty bigoted.

And, to show how open I am to a proper discussion, I welcome the prospect of continuing to do so, and answer in as much detail as anyone wants to explain reasoning. If there is something you think I am doing that is fascist or bigoted, point it out and I will explain it. Granted I am writing this at 3 in the morning on Christmas.

No one has silenced me -- yet. However, the thought police are everywhere on social media. People are being banned for relatively innocuous statements. It's PC culture gone berserk.

A woman friend of mine is very vocal on this issue on Facebook. She has had to block every person at her workplace, knowing full well she might well be terminated for her opinions. Why post then at all you might ask. Because she believes in what she is saying and this is a fight more people should take up. But they don't because of fear.

You've come a long way since you first logged on.

Or maybe I'm just getting more tolerant in my old age.

Of course everyone knows about bio sex and that you can't change it but TERFs will use this to invalidate trans gender people just like how racists use statistics of black people being more violent and doing more crime to justify their racism or how red pill men will use the fact that most women like to be forced to have sex and having rape fantasies to justify rape. It's disgusting.

JK Rowling defends Maya who used this argument and she wasn't fired, her contract wasn't renewed and it wasn't over that comment, it was over other things she has said and posts she has liked and retweeted that were all gender critical and that is what got her contract not renewed. It is disappointing to see this from JK Rowling.

So it isn't just social media, but what sort of thing workplaces are tolerating. Do you think that there might be a reason that people are taking others making statements like "sex is real" is like some sort of racial slur like "Jews will not replace us"?

I hate the just calling it "PC culture", it is only called that when it is people who don't agree with it, you don't call it that if someone got in trouble for making paedophile jokes, or when Boomers get upset over Okay Boomer memes. The Right Wing has its own political correctness, but the terms seems to only be used in regards to things that used to be okay but are not now. It is politically correct to not call us people with autism the "r" word, and god damn I want to stop people from using "autistic" as an insult as it has started to be.

What the concept I am seeing wanting to be pushed by people who are anti-"politically correct" is that people want tolerance to allow them to be intolerant, it is a total double standard. If you want to push a belief that pushes down other people, then go ahead, just don't expect other people to not push you down instead. You can't have beliefs in racial segregation and equality exist next to each other without one being tested. I would like to say that the moral point of view will come ahead, but as it stands there has been a huge history of LGBT people having lose this battle, where if their "view" was found out they could lose their job, get arrested or even institutionalised.

I am not saying that everyone who says the things that get them in trouble from "PC culture" are themselves bad people, or maybe even don't have a reason for themselves feeling uncomfortable, but does not mean people have to support someone, or a business if they support such a person, if they continue to do things that can be toxic and hurt other people.

You mean you've been a supporter of LGB rights for years, right?

Because I have no clue how you could possibly consider yourself a supporter of trans rights, looking at your other comments in this thread.

What has he said that you take offence at?

I don't know how you would know a trans woman is a trans woman anyway, unless they wore it on a badge.

And I don't care about jk Rowling.

Do you have any thoughts about what should or shouldn’t be allowed and where the line should be drawn?

Are you for complete freeness of speech in every realm?

I'm all for freedom of speech; however, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences.

Linking a hate site (http://www.terfisaslur.com) on the first page? And repeatedly using words like "belligerent" and "authoritarian" to describe the trans community, along with the usual wingnut talking points like "PC" and "cancel culture"? And "trans ideology" which is straight-up TERF lingo? Why don't you go ahead and link us some /r/GenderCritical posts while you're at it, VegetableMan?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-happened

The first known usage of the word "TERF" is by a cisgender radical feminist named Viv Smythe. It's not a slur because it doesn't describe a marginalized group. It describes an ideology that is wholly incompatible with human freedom, dignity, and reason. Yes, J.K. Rowling is a TERF. If you believe that cisgender women should have special rights and privileges over transgender women (and support legislation to enforce this inequality), you are a TERF.


Subtext: "I'm not transphobic, but..."