Shoving 'Transgender Regret' Back in the Closet.

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16 Jan 2020, 8:53 pm

It seems that not everybody is happy with their new trans-identities, and some even want to return to their former cis-identities instead.

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LGBT Shoving 'Transgender Regret' Back in the Closet

LGBT advocates are continuing their campaign to ostracize "transgender" people who want their appearance once again to reflect their sex.

Charlie Evans fits the profile of a "former transgender" who felt shunned by LGBT members and was labeled a "traitor." She naively set out to help teenagers avoid making the same "horrendous mistakes" she had made when starting to "transition" at age 17. She began living as a boy, binding her chest and shaving her head.

The floodgates to this bizarre phenomenon opened in the aftermath of Evans appearing on a popular cable program, Sky News, in the United Kingdom. Hundreds of "former transsexuals" who (also) "feel like a social contagion," says Evans, had contacted her wanting to do the same thing.

Evans further enraged leftists by founding a nonprofit that recognizes the extent of the problem spelled out in its name, "Detransition Advocacy Network," in England. Transsexuals sought out Evans for support, calling from countries around the world... (more)
Source: This American Thinker Article.

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16 Jan 2020, 10:34 pm

Where do you get these things from?

Kind of looks like mostly an anti-transgender hit piece, with aggressive language in view. I see some familiar things like mentioning the adverse reactions to the hormone therapy stuff, which I am yet to see a source that displays that as relevant to those who transition rather than the other medical purposes they are used for. Or even saying something like the therapy changes the body, which is kind of exactly what it is for. I really could not find much in terms of sources in general, rather than mostly a stance of the author on the subject.

I was able to find the other types of articles the author has made:

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Shoving 'Transgender Regret' Back in the Closet
Resurrecting Christine Blasey Ford
How to Host Anti-Semites Visiting Israel
Elizabeth Warren and ethnic fraud
Fonda Cements Legacy as Hanoi Jane
Ocasio-Cortez: Make socialism great again
Millennial Conservative Candace Owens Ignites Snowflake Meltdown Nationwide
SJW banks on 'white guilt' to overcharge diners
Hollywood: Enablers 'R' Us
Monica Lewinsky performs another disservice...to herself
Fleeing Obamacare: How Doctors Are Insuring Their Own Families
School Choice: Matt Damon Elevates Hypocrisy to an Art Form
Hillary's delusional bubble
CNN: Certainly Not News
Maxine Waters: A Gift That Keeps Giving
Liberal mom runs into pervert in 'transgender' bathroom
Jill Stein Casts Herself in 'Bridezilla' Role


Give a good idea of the political stance of the author, evidently pretty conservative, and I think quite a bit could be done to get an idea of her character as a bit of an anti-SJW. and then I was able to find the following quote on the Wikipedia article of the site, American Thinker:

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The magazine has been described as a conservative blog.[6][7] Right Wing Watch points out that American Thinker has published an excessively complimentary piece on a white nationalist, claimed women ruined public discourse by complaining about rape, and asserted that rainbow-colored Doritos are a "gateway snack to introduce children to the joys of homosexuality."


The one linked source I can find as a link to a website called sexchangeregret.com. They had a research page, which mostly seemed to be selectively chosen news articles, like referencing a news article in the Guardian from 15 years ago. Citing as evidence of people becoming distressed and suicidal even after transitioning, of which the quotes in the paper say more about a lack of reliable information, and would be countered by the other paper I mentioned in the other topic about this being accounted for via more cultural affirmation or counseling to continue afterwards. Or cites a Dr. Michael Laidlaw, which I did find this article that paints him as out of his depth and going my by faith than the science.

But directly to the topic, this sort of regret is more referred to as Detransitioning, you can read the wiki article on it. Some of the numbers I can find on there say things like only about 8% of people that transitioned had detransitioned, and of those 62% returned to a trans role again. I did see a video a while back from a youtuber called Luxander, who talked about some blowback from detransitioning, but they went back on testosterone after a period because they found they identified more as non binary, them saying in no way regrated transitioning in the first place. So numbers on detransitioning can be deceptive.


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17 Jan 2020, 8:36 am

The main problem with sex reassignment surgery is that it’s irreversible.

Suppose a woman who became a man decided he wanted to be a woman again?

Granted, this would probably be a rare occurrence—but it could happen. Especially with younger people.

Hence, this sort of surgery should be thoroughly researched, and thoroughly thought about.

The same thing with a radical hysterectomy or an irreversible vasectomy.



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17 Jan 2020, 9:08 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The main problem with sex reassignment surgery is that it’s irreversible...
Not always, and not completely.  True, the person may not be able to reproduce, but they can at least have something resembling their former appearance restored.

Walt Heyer knows firsthand what it’s like to undergo sex change surgery and then regret it.  After living as a trans-woman for nearly a decade, he decided to accept his biological sex and de-transition back to male.  By then, Walt had received intensive cognitive therapy that helped him recognize early childhood trauma he had experienced.

The trauma resulted in a mental condition known as dissociative identity disorder (DID).  In the clarity of that realization, his gender dysphoria simply vanished.  His life as a trans-woman all amounted to an attempt to escape reality.  Sadly, too few people consider the possibility that gender dysphoria can manifest as a byproduct or symptom of other mental conditions, and most certainly of DID.

Walt Heyer has written several books on transgender regret, but his sixth and newest book, "Trans Life Survivors", is not his personal story.  It’s a compilation of the stories of many others caught up in today's 'transmania'.  They specifically sought out Walt to get some much-needed support.


Link to Heyer's Website.


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17 Jan 2020, 1:48 pm

I wonder how many people are genuinely transsexual , but wrongly think that transitioning by itself will fix a lot of general personal problems . When that happens they either become disillusioned, and seek to detransition , or take steps to get help for those problems .

If you're socially inadequate, the truth is SRS isn't going to change that .



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17 Jan 2020, 2:21 pm

I wonder what the actual statistics are on how many trans-people attempt or commit suicide after they discover SRS won't fix their general personal problems.  I've seen numbers from 11% to 20%, depending on the country and the person reporting the statistics.

People have even claimed to me that the suicide rate among trans-people is zero because every trans-person is perfectly happy with their new identities after SRS is completed.


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17 Jan 2020, 5:56 pm

When one considers the turmoil of adolescence, and the developmental stage, it's not surprising that some choices become regrets; unplanned pregnancy, drug overdoses, dropping out of school, etc. I suppose choosing to transition might be one of those. It's not pro or anti trans to see this could happen.

I can also see how a teen might think any one solution would make life perfect and then be catastrophically disillusioned when it didn't.

I think it is a very difficult decision for a person to make, and like any other change, some adjustment would be necessary.


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17 Jan 2020, 8:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
I wonder what the actual statistics are on how many trans-people attempt or commit suicide after they discover SRS won't fix their general personal problems.  I've seen numbers from 11% to 20%, depending on the country and the person reporting the statistics.


Linking the attempted suicide rates to not fixing underlying problems not fixed through transitioning, does not take into account harassment they receive for simply being trans. That they can have a high rate of being kicked out by their family, trouble finding work, and general can be treated badly. Cultural acceptance is so low with little representation, where it was not too long ago that trans people were used exclusively as jokes.


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17 Jan 2020, 8:34 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder what the actual statistics are on how many trans-people attempt or commit suicide after they discover SRS won't fix their general personal problems.  I've seen numbers from 11% to 20%, depending on the country and the person reporting the statistics.


Linking the attempted suicide rates to not fixing underlying problems not fixed through transitioning, does not take into account harassment they receive for simply being trans. That they can have a high rate of being kicked out by their family, trouble finding work, and general can be treated badly. Cultural acceptance is so low with little representation, where it was not too long ago that trans people were used exclusively as jokes.


You make some totally pertinent and reasonable points . However not all general personal problems are to do with being trans . It is those no trans related issues/problems that I'm thinking of . Of course trans people should be treated with care and consideration but those issues/problems would be present whether the person was being treated badly or not .

That is not a call for people not to have SRS , but to have realistic expectations of how they would manage after transistion without help and support for those non-trans related issues/problems .

A person can be trans and psychologically well adjusted, factoring in the stressors of being pre op , or they can not .



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17 Jan 2020, 10:06 pm

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... That is not a call for people not to have SRS, but to have realistic expectations of how they would manage after transition without help and support for those non-trans related issues/problems...
Indeed.  If there is to be an open discussion of transgenderism, then all the facts must be brought to the table.  "Feels Trump Reals" should not rule the discussion.


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17 Jan 2020, 10:50 pm

firemonkey wrote:
You make some totally pertinent and reasonable points . However not all general personal problems are to do with being trans . It is those no trans related issues/problems that I'm thinking of . Of course trans people should be treated with care and consideration but those issues/problems would be present whether the person was being treated badly or not .


I never said that was not the case, in fact I personally liked the studies that have pointed to counselling as important, that can find any problems that may or may not be related to a felt need to transition.

And still, the whole medical side is a really complex issue that requires a lot of nuance and learning how things should be done for different people. Bellow is a video by the YouTuber I mentioned earlier who started to detransition off of Testosterone, and went on it again. The video that came before where they decided to come off of it had a lot dislikes, and created a bit of a scandal, is a part of where I give credence to comments a bit about a good number of people in the trans community being hostile to detransitioning. And I kind of fear is a little bit on the truscum side of things.


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