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02 Oct 2020, 12:44 pm

I am sure a lot of you said that Trump testing positive shows just how wrong he was when he was reckless about it. I would have said it myself, but since so many people already said it, what's the point in repeating it? But here is something different, that I bet nobody ever said:

a) The incident shows that Trump is honest, since he tweeted about it rather than hide it. What that tells you is that, back when he acted like covid isn't a big deal, it wasn't because he was lying; rather its because he honestly thought it wasn't a big deal. He is just the type of person who doesn't change his -- honest -- opinion easily. But once it changes then he is willing to be open about it.

b) A person with bad intentions would protect themselves while endangering others. But, as we saw, Trump didn't protect himself either. So it wasn't bad intentions, it was sincere mistake.

Well yes you can ask "how could he not know if many people were confronting him about it". Well here is how: he sincerely believed he was right and everyone else was wrong. Sure, this belief is stupid, but stupid doesn't mean evil. Imagine the situation that you are the only adult in a room filled with 5 year olds. Would you say, in this situation, that you are right and everyone in the room is wrong? I hope so. Well, the only problem is that senior medical specialists are not 5 year olds. But maybe Trump perceives them to be. And if he perceives something different from what it is, it's not his fault. You can't "choose" how you perceive something. If you look at a sky and see it red rather than blue it's not your choice either.

Like I said, him testing positive also said a bunch of bad things about him too (such as how wrong he was when he was reckless). But it all was said before. It is important to acknowledge some good things.



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02 Oct 2020, 12:53 pm

I have no criticism of Trump for becoming sick.
The chances of a world leader getting the sickness is pretty good.

I feel Trump is a legit a victim as anyone.


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02 Oct 2020, 12:53 pm

QFT wrote:
What that tells you is that, back when he acted like covid isn't a big deal, it wasn't because he was lying; rather its because he honestly thought it wasn't a big deal. He is just the type of person who doesn't change his -- honest -- opinion easily. But once it changes then he is willing to be open about it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump/2020/09/09/0368fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html

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Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. “I wanted to always play it down,” the president said. “I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.”



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02 Oct 2020, 1:00 pm

You make a good point QFT, he could handle his current situation even more poorly. He could be ever worse than he is, his presidency could be worse and his approach to the pandemic could be worse. These aren't redeeming points in the slightest, but you're not wrong that they exist.


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02 Oct 2020, 1:03 pm

Here's two statements:

I'm the president.

I'm 36.

The second one is true and I believe it. That does not mean I believed the first one when I wrote it, and there's no reason to come to that conclusion. They're independent, and you can only speculate about my motivations.


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02 Oct 2020, 1:23 pm

Reckless is not a strong enough word
White House officials knew Hicks tested positive -- but Trump still traveled for a fundraiser

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A small group of White House officials knew by Thursday morning that Hicks had contracted Covid-19, according to CNN Correspondent Kaitlan Collins -- but Trump still took a trip to New Jersey for a fundraiser, and press secretary Kayleigh McEnany still held a news briefing at the White House on Thursday.

McEnany didn't wear a mask at the briefing, and made no mention of Hicks' diagnosis to reporters in the room, Collins said.

So the question is going to be for the White House, why did the President still go to New Jersey, knowing that he could potentially put these people at risk, these donors and fund raisers? And of course, why did the press secretary still hold a briefing despite knowing she had come into contact with somebody who had just tested positive for coronavirus?" Collins said.

The State University of New York just put in an edict that any student who tests positive and does not isolate, any student who comes in contact with somebody positive and does not quarantine is suspended or expelled with no refund. Yet these people let a person who is known to have tested positive on an airplane with a 74 year old president and his aides. WTF


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02 Oct 2020, 1:52 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Reckless is not a strong enough word
White House officials knew Hicks tested positive -- but Trump still traveled for a fundraiser
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A small group of White House officials knew by Thursday morning that Hicks had contracted Covid-19, according to CNN Correspondent Kaitlan Collins -- but Trump still took a trip to New Jersey for a fundraiser, and press secretary Kayleigh McEnany still held a news briefing at the White House on Thursday.

McEnany didn't wear a mask at the briefing, and made no mention of Hicks' diagnosis to reporters in the room, Collins said.

So the question is going to be for the White House, why did the President still go to New Jersey, knowing that he could potentially put these people at risk, these donors and fund raisers? And of course, why did the press secretary still hold a briefing despite knowing she had come into contact with somebody who had just tested positive for coronavirus?" Collins said.

The State University of New York just put in an edict that any student who tests positive and does not isolate, any student who comes in contact with somebody positive and does not quarantine is suspended or expelled with no refund. Yet these people let a person who is known to have tested positive on an airplane with a 74 year old president and his aides. WTF


Actually this only confirms my point. The fact that Trump was willing to put *himself* in danger in such an obvious way, shows that when he was putting others in danger it wasn't because he was selfish rather it was because he *sincerely* wasn't taking it seriously.



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02 Oct 2020, 2:26 pm

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... The fact that Trump was willing to put himself in danger in such an obvious way, shows that when he was putting others in danger it wasn't because he was selfish rather it was because he *sincerely* wasn't taking it seriously.
That is definitely NOT a marketable quality for a presidential candidate.


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02 Oct 2020, 3:02 pm

Fnord wrote:
QFT wrote:
... The fact that Trump was willing to put himself in danger in such an obvious way, shows that when he was putting others in danger it wasn't because he was selfish rather it was because he *sincerely* wasn't taking it seriously.
That is definitely NOT a marketable quality for a presidential candidate.


Sure, but that alleviates him of the specific charge others *used to* lay on him. Sure, the new charge is also bad as far as presidential candidate goes, but that's an interesting twist :)



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02 Oct 2020, 3:06 pm

QFT wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Reckless is not a strong enough word
White House officials knew Hicks tested positive -- but Trump still traveled for a fundraiser
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A small group of White House officials knew by Thursday morning that Hicks had contracted Covid-19, according to CNN Correspondent Kaitlan Collins -- but Trump still took a trip to New Jersey for a fundraiser, and press secretary Kayleigh McEnany still held a news briefing at the White House on Thursday.

McEnany didn't wear a mask at the briefing, and made no mention of Hicks' diagnosis to reporters in the room, Collins said.

So the question is going to be for the White House, why did the President still go to New Jersey, knowing that he could potentially put these people at risk, these donors and fund raisers? And of course, why did the press secretary still hold a briefing despite knowing she had come into contact with somebody who had just tested positive for coronavirus?" Collins said.

The State University of New York just put in an edict that any student who tests positive and does not isolate, any student who comes in contact with somebody positive and does not quarantine is suspended or expelled with no refund. Yet these people let a person who is known to have tested positive on an airplane with a 74 year old president and his aides. WTF


Actually this only confirms my point. The fact that Trump was willing to put *himself* in danger in such an obvious way, shows that when he was putting others in danger it wasn't because he was selfish rather it was because he *sincerely* wasn't taking it seriously.


Maybe Trump was thinking being fearless, toughing it out would help his campaign


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02 Oct 2020, 3:09 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
QFT wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Reckless is not a strong enough word
White House officials knew Hicks tested positive -- but Trump still traveled for a fundraiser
Quote:
A small group of White House officials knew by Thursday morning that Hicks had contracted Covid-19, according to CNN Correspondent Kaitlan Collins -- but Trump still took a trip to New Jersey for a fundraiser, and press secretary Kayleigh McEnany still held a news briefing at the White House on Thursday.

McEnany didn't wear a mask at the briefing, and made no mention of Hicks' diagnosis to reporters in the room, Collins said.

So the question is going to be for the White House, why did the President still go to New Jersey, knowing that he could potentially put these people at risk, these donors and fund raisers? And of course, why did the press secretary still hold a briefing despite knowing she had come into contact with somebody who had just tested positive for coronavirus?" Collins said.

The State University of New York just put in an edict that any student who tests positive and does not isolate, any student who comes in contact with somebody positive and does not quarantine is suspended or expelled with no refund. Yet these people let a person who is known to have tested positive on an airplane with a 74 year old president and his aides. WTF


Actually this only confirms my point. The fact that Trump was willing to put *himself* in danger in such an obvious way, shows that when he was putting others in danger it wasn't because he was selfish rather it was because he *sincerely* wasn't taking it seriously.


Maybe Trump was thinking being fearless, toughing it out would help his campaign


But he wasn't advertising the fact that he was on a plane with Hicks.



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02 Oct 2020, 5:41 pm

Trump wasn't sincere, he was just reckless and stupid.


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02 Oct 2020, 5:47 pm

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Trump wasn't sincere, he was just reckless and stupid.


That wasn't due to selfishness -- since he was reckless about himself just as much.



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02 Oct 2020, 8:03 pm

QFT wrote:
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Trump wasn't sincere, he was just reckless and stupid.


That wasn't due to selfishness -- since he was reckless about himself just as much.


I think all three applied when Trump decided wearing a mask was a political stand against him personally.


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02 Oct 2020, 8:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
QFT wrote:
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Trump wasn't sincere, he was just reckless and stupid.


That wasn't due to selfishness -- since he was reckless about himself just as much.


I think all three applied when Trump decided wearing a mask was a political stand against him personally.


Yeah, but why getting on a plane with someone diagnosed with covid? Since it wasn't videotaped or anything, there would have been no personal implications for him if he were to simply decline to let that person on a plane. So apparently he truly thought it wasn't so bad.

By the way, as a narcissist, he could have had some ego boost by saying "no, you are not allowed on my plane". He chose not to do that and, instead, he was being all nice and inclusive :)



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03 Oct 2020, 1:31 am

QFT wrote:
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QFT wrote:
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Trump wasn't sincere, he was just reckless and stupid.


That wasn't due to selfishness -- since he was reckless about himself just as much.


I think all three applied when Trump decided wearing a mask was a political stand against him personally.


Yeah, but why getting on a plane with someone diagnosed with covid? Since it wasn't videotaped or anything, there would have been no personal implications for him if he were to simply decline to let that person on a plane. So apparently he truly thought it wasn't so bad.

By the way, as a narcissist, he could have had some ego boost by saying "no, you are not allowed on my plane". He chose not to do that and, instead, he was being all nice and inclusive :)


Did he know Hicks had the virus at the time? If he did, then he truly is an idiot for believing his own crap about Covid not being the threat silly liberals and other believers in science had said it was.


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