Why is it wrong to criticize Israel?

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Madagascar was proposed.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/th ... car-plan-2

I absent-mindedly used "quote" tags where I meant to use "youtube" tags:

I'm not sure why this thread is still going, it should have been one post asking the question and other saying that it's definitely not wrong to criticize Israel for the numerous things they do that are worthy of criticism. Same as any other country really. How many more decades are they going to milk the holocaust and say you can't criticize them because of Nazis. Not to minimalize the pain and suffering and horrors of the holocaust, but it has been nearly 80 years since the end of the war, if we can't criticize the country now, then at what point is it long enough?

There's the real reason.

I don't assume it's on purpose, but 'Moslem' is dated and might come off as insulting to some. Kind of like 'Mohometan'.

Whats this even mean? Is the US constitution written on their artillery shells? Are they giving Palestinians fatal amounts of paper cuts with billions of copies of Plato's Republic?

As opposed to the multi-million dollar pro-Israel lobbying apparatus which has spent decades throwing unreal amounts of cash at the media and politicians and civil society etc etc.? Which constantly pushes the narrative that: Jews are victims therefore Israel is always the victim. It plays on the un-nuanced perspective the center has wrt oppression. Just because you were horribly oppressed before does not mean you are incapable of oppression yourselves--or that that oppression is in any way necessary for your survival.


This 'human shields' narrative is loaded with contradictions. Palestinian """society""" is not willingly using themselves as human shields. Especially not to get attention (I'm shocked I even need to say this). There could be a whole thread devoted to addressing this pervasive, insidious narrative used to justify the Israeli military's mass murder of Palestinian civilians.


Israel and its allies started this war in 1948 and have continued it with the continued violent subjugation and oppression of Palestinians. Any regime that engages in imperialism abroad or apartheid at home is actively endangering its own civilians. Zionists endanger the very people they claim to protect with every Palestinian denied civil rights, every Palestinian executed without trial, every suppressed protest, every Palestinian village bulldozed, every Palestinian child shot for throwing a rock, every illegal settlement, and every desecrated holy site. Israel started it. Never, ever forget that. They create horror and call it peace. Resistance to that peace is then treated as the true aggression. What a Lie. Resistance against violent oppression is not and can never be "starting it".

In a sane world it would not be wrong to criticize any nation that is actively being cruel to another group people. Unfortunately we do not live in a sane world.

Perhaps you could start a thread devoted to debunking anti-Palestinian narratives?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJAhmIu ... nieSanders

Not a bad idea.

Actually, yes bad idea. This is an emotionally draining subject and writing in a social context is an emotionally draining activity. So I'ma post links then crawl under a rock.
This is a contentious subject. Am I asking you to believe everything you read here? No. Read and reach your own conclusions.

Here's an Al-Jazeera article from 2018.
Decolonize Palestine has a page on their site addressing the narrative.
And here is a quote from this article that I found salient.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e ... c_team=crm

This is a good report.

Wrong? No. Hypocritical? Perhaps.. considering USA/Canada committed a near complete genocide of Indigenous peoples of North America murdering approximately 100,000,000 people over a couple hundred year span and then have committed further atrocities against survivors for the last century or so.

I know you and I didn't do those things, but the collective "we," of the USA/Canada Did.. so, IMO it's a bit hypocritical of us to criticize Israel.. yet still not wrong. We just need to remember to criticize our own countries for doing that s**t, too, and not pretend that we're any better than they are.

Speak for yourself, I'm part Filipino and Hawaiian plus German and Irish. That means my ancestors were both on the recieving end of ethnic cleansing AND were participating in genocide and colonization.

I'm only going to say this: It's the right thing to criticize any country that does what Israel is currently. Period.

This whole eternity of collective guilt for the West BS thing really makes my head spin. It basicallty keeps us from making any true progress as a society which is why we are in the mess we are in today.

This isn't ancient history. There's a reason that there's been a movement towards Truth & Reconciliation over the last few years. The last residential school system schools were closed in the 1990's, not 1700's. Senior citizens alive today suffered those abuses, and their children and grandchildren continue to experience the harms of intergenerational trauma.

The collective West needs to own its s**t and acknowledge these historical and recent wrongdoings and do better moving forward vs. pretending this was just some crap that happened hundreds of years ago and we don't need to answer for it. It's still going on, culturally, in selective law enforcement, in the courts & jails, in employment discrimination etc by a bunch of ignorant privileged descendants of colonizers that have the attitude that Indigenous peoples should "just get over it," and somehow be whole, happy, healthy, and productive. A bit hard to do when you're survivors of a recent and ongoing genocide. Many are doing the best they can given their circumstances, and I'm Certain would be doing even better with a little acknowledgment and effort put in by the general colonizer society.

Translation: "I want to see all of Western Civilization completely destroyed because the internet people told me it's all bad!"