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Well...its a no brainer.
"Woke" means "anything in the world that I dont like". 
21 Dec 2023, 9:18 pm
Woke is also anything that annoying college-educated agist millenial-and-boomer-hating white liberals feel entitled to enforce on the world around them and if you don't join their cause they brand you a racist/sexist/transphobic and will say anything to discredit and shame you. 
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
"Woke" or "Wokeism" is a general political worldview that looks at things this way.
The United States is systematically racist and has been from the get-go.
"Racism' and "privilege" are about groups, not individuals. A common example is a white person who has led a hardscrabble life but because of skin color automatically has "white privilege" and is probably if not definitely racist.
Racism and privilege are so hardwired into American society that most white people can not see their privilege and the racist acts they commit, they assume it is normal.
Presentism - Historical figures are judged by current "woke" standards. In judging these people nuance is not allowed, they are mainly judged on the racist things or things they said or did. If they have a statue or monument it must be knocked down etc.
If you are a member of a group designed as privileged in order for allyship to occur you must "do the work" which entails in part realizing many things you thought were normal were really racist. If you fail to do that you should be canceled.
"Merit" and "Colorblindness" are not goals but main problems because they deflect from truth-seeking thus enabling racism.
If you are not a member of an oppressed group you have no right to opine about that group, and no right if you are an actor to play of member of that group.
While I used racism it applies to many "isms" and "phobics".
What wokeness is not is anything and everything MAGA's do not like.
The United States is systematically racist and has been from the get-go.
"Racism' and "privilege" are about groups, not individuals. A common example is a white person who has led a hardscrabble life but because of skin color automatically has "white privilege" and is probably if not definitely racist.
Racism and privilege are so hardwired into American society that most white people can not see their privilege and the racist acts they commit, they assume it is normal.
Presentism - Historical figures are judged by current "woke" standards. In judging these people nuance is not allowed, they are mainly judged on the racist things or things they said or did. If they have a statue or monument it must be knocked down etc.
If you are a member of a group designed as privileged in order for allyship to occur you must "do the work" which entails in part realizing many things you thought were normal were really racist. If you fail to do that you should be canceled.
"Merit" and "Colorblindness" are not goals but main problems because they deflect from truth-seeking thus enabling racism.
If you are not a member of an oppressed group you have no right to opine about that group, and no right if you are an actor to play of member of that group.
While I used racism it applies to many "isms" and "phobics".
What wokeness is not is anything and everything MAGA's do not like.
Funny thing about wokism is that even if you fit into the category of an "oppressed group" (for exampke I'm LGBTQ and I'm racially mixed but pass for white unlike my father) you're still not allowed by the white liberal kids who play moral police to say anything critical about this movement.
Talk about real "white privilage".
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21 Dec 2023, 11:51 pm
Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
"Woke" or "Wokeism" is a general political worldview that looks at things this way.
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What wokeness is not is anything and everything MAGA's do not like.
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What wokeness is not is anything and everything MAGA's do not like.
According to you.
But there is no authoritative, canonical definition of "wokeness." It's not a technical term, nor is there a "wokeness manifesto." The people who originally used "woke" in a political context (Black Lives Matter activists) used it as a general exhortation (e.g. "Stay woke!"), not as a reference to any specific well-defined set of ideas.
So it now means whatever any given person using it wants it to mean.
And, as far as I can tell, it has largely evolved into meaning precisely what you say it does not mean: "anything and everything MAGA's do not like."
And in France, it now apparently means "anything and everything deemed by French right wingers not to be traditionally French enough."
A lot of learned people use it in a similar manner to me. As I mentioned in another thread very recently liberal Jews worried about antisemitism and anti-zionism are using the term often to describe a similar phenomenon as me. Many of those arguably similar to you were dismissive of the term three months ago.
It is not so much what it is called but what it describes which is a way of thinking I described. I am concluding many of those mocking the term or minimizing the term are really saying the type of thinking I described does not exist or is way overhyped.
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Funny thing about wokism is that even if you fit into the category of an "oppressed group" (for exampke I'm LGBTQ and I'm racially mixed but pass for white unlike my father) you're still not allowed by the white liberal kids who play moral police to say anything critical about this movement.
Talk about real "white privilage".
Talk about real "white privilage".
They will often say you are "white adjacent" which describes not really white but gloming onto "white privilege".
Most of us here are in an "oppressed group", Autistics.
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ASPartOfMe wrote:
They will often say you are "white adjacent" which describes not really white but gloming onto "white privilege".
Pretty sure I'd self-identify under that label.
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