ToughDiamond wrote:
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I suppose that's true of some physical fights, though I don't think I've ever knocked anybody to the floor. It's also metaphorically true of some of the verbal altercations I've been in, if the level in question is about who is the strongest bad-faith arguer, but then there's the moral or aesthetic(?) high and low ground, and I meant that really. But you're joking aren't you?
Half-joking, half-serious.
With verbal arguments I'd say the more bad faith the other party relies on, the weaker they and their cause look overall.
Sometimes you can win by how you present your argument, other times more so with how you dismantle the other person's argument. One doesn't always win in the moment though, sometimes the other party will dwell on something that was said and reflect upon it.
Regardless though, I'd say winning rarely makes one look worse, unless they conduct themselves like a bad winner. If there's an audience, even if one considers engaging in the contest lowering themselves, in the eyes of the people who saw it the winner typically gains respect in some degree by winning.
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