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28 Jan 2024, 12:49 am

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Gender is not determined by sex organs.

Then how can I tell who is a woman without biological aspects?

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28 Jan 2024, 12:50 am

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If you force transpeople to transition who don’t want to, the suicide rates will increase.

Any proof? Any medical case?

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28 Jan 2024, 12:51 am

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funeralxempire wrote:

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Forcing someone to undergo a "full-transition" is just as much ignoring an individual's wishes as preventing them from transitioning.

It's better than not allowing any trans person to transition at all. You have two things that are the opposite of one another.

Has anyone in this thread advocated for not letting anyone transition? No. All people have said is that it's best to leave that decision to the patient and their medical professionals instead of having the government impose a one-size-fits-all solution.

I never saw anyone say that they shouldn't transition. All I know is that the opposition says that it should be individual priority and not the priority of the government. But still I'm pushing for the government intervention as to help decrease suicide rates drastically among the trans population.

Forcing people to get surgeries they don't want isn't going to make a positive impact on people's lives or on suicide rates.

All it's going to do is add another concern for the people affected to have to worry about.

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28 Jan 2024, 12:52 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Gender is not determined by sex organs.

Then how can I tell who is a woman without biological aspects?

So, this isn't actually about making things better for trans people at all, this is about making you more comfortable. Thanks for letting that slip out, it makes it much easier to understand your real motives.

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28 Jan 2024, 12:54 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

If you force transpeople to transition who don’t want to, the suicide rates will increase.

Any proof? Any medical case?

Common sense.

Nonconsensual medical procedures are traumatic in a similar way that sexual assault is. Consent is important when it comes to medical treatment and sex.

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28 Jan 2024, 12:54 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Yugoslav1945 wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Gender is not determined by sex organs.

Then how can I tell who is a woman without biological aspects?

I already hinted that out by saying how I had a bad experience with my female friend being a trans man and me not being able to recognize them as a man which caused our friendship to go downhill. I don't wanna harm myself nor do I wanna harm them and I just want those people to medically transition, especially my friend, so that I no longer look at them like a woman but like a man.

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28 Jan 2024, 12:55 am

It’s much easier to change yourself than someone else.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:04 am

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It’s much easier to change yourself than someone else.

This, and also the only person you're entitled to force change upon is yourself.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:07 am

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It’s much easier to change yourself than someone else.

Maybe. But the fact that their female body still exists and yet they identify as male just doesn't help. They have to medically transition and I feel like every trans person should do this if they don't want to be misgendered because their body doesn't match their identity.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:15 am

They don’t have to do anything they don’t want to do. It’s pretty simple. You seem to have a very rigid, black-and-white notion of gender. I wonder if getting more exposure on this topic by reading or watching videos could be useful. Personally speaking, I don’t see things in a binary fashion. People are people to me. Gender isn’t that important.

No one should have to change themselves just to make you or other people comfortable.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:28 am

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But they actually want to transition. They told me that! I remember talking to them about what they want to be in the future and they said that they wanna be a man.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:31 am

When you’ve met one transperson, you’ve met one transperson. Many have no desire to transition at all.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:40 am

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When you’ve met one transperson, you’ve met one transperson. Many have no desire to transition at all.

But if the person doesn't wanna transition and yet they still identify as the opposite gender, then how can I be comfortable with it? I don't want a man to be feminine with me. I can be acceptable with the tomboys (girls who simply dress as boys) but a girl identifying as a boy is where I seriously draw the line as their gender dysphoria is a call for help and liberation. The best way to do it is have these trans people provided what they want and that is medical transition and hormone therapy as a means of becoming more accepted and equalized with the rest of the humanity! For no one is to be more equal than others, because we are all humans and we should help and understand one another.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:52 am

It doesn’t seem like you want to understand others. Instead, you want them to conform to your understanding. That doesn’t seem fair. Once again, not every transperson wants to transition. You don’t need to be sexually attracted to everyone, but respecting their autonomy, personhood, and identity would be cool.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:53 am

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It doesn’t seem like you want to understand others. Instead, you want them to conform to your understanding. That doesn’t seem fair. Once again, not every trans person wants to transition. You don’t need to be sexually attracted to everyone, but respecting their autonomy and personhood would be cool.

Not saying that I should be sexually attracted to everyone. I like women but when it comes to what woman I want, I want a biological woman who isn't trans.

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28 Jan 2024, 1:55 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

It doesn’t seem like you want to understand others. Instead, you want them to conform to your understanding. That doesn’t seem fair. Once again, not every trans person wants to transition. You don’t need to be sexually attracted to everyone, but respecting their autonomy and personhood would be cool.

Not saying that I should be sexually attracted to everyone. I like women but when it comes to what woman I want, I want a biological woman who isn't trans.

That’s mildly interesting but doesn’t seem particularly relevant to the current discussion. A person’s identity is about them, not about what turns someone else on.

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