dishonest capitalist culture is inherently abelist

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05 Mar 2024, 5:22 am

__Elijahahahaho wrote:
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I think the dishonesty is in the claim how meritocratic it is.


That's exactly it. The unfortunate truth is the value of the EQ stuff and the dishonest tactics involved are more effective and important than being good.

Autistics need a kind of mini-lawyer to follow them around and manage the mind-games.

Or we can change the entire social environment to value long-term investment, then I think the mind-games become less useful because these guys are not gonna show results over decades. We needed longterm thinking for
the climate crisis and many other things, so there is demand there, it's just hard to enact that kind of social change.

Humans don't naturally think in global scale, they think in proximity.
They will care if their homes might burn or their neighbors', but not at homes several miles away.
Those will care are locales with several likely influential families caring for autistics, but anything else is a huge question mark.

And humans don't think in long term investments, they think in contexts and historical basis.
To a point that they'd replace a common household items for a very popular brand name, to a point that there is still racism, to a point that there political polarization.

Even if humans, relatively, think better in long term and create global change compared to any beings in this world -- it's not as efficient and not as expected by rational standards unless there's an entire generational change involved.

We have it all in this age; the statistics, the information, the awareness and knowledge -- but still do the same old mistakes, still playing over the same rules -- because, historical contexts.

So they need a hierarchy, a model, a whatever value to pursue.
It doesn't matter if everyone intellectually knew that the valued virtual ideal is impossible -- what mattered is that it is valued, people worships it and are programed to pursue it.

When it came to autism, you can do that to your own household, circle of friends or some small company...
But they need an initial model -- a good one. A bad ones will not do favors in any future autistics that come after.

Revolutions are not easy.
Paradigm shifts are even more so.

So if you introduce something completely new and outright foreign into the fold -- like neurodiversity for one -- outside a population's proximity in autism, outside a population's involved contexts related to autism -- you will get a very confused crowd that will dismiss all those proposals.


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05 Mar 2024, 6:15 pm

There seem to be only two basic economic systems:

1. Capitalism - The workers do not own the means of production, and provide their labor in exchange for money while the owners reap the profits.  Innovation and invention are based on what would provide the greatest benefit (i.e., profit) to the owners.  Under this definition, Communism is a form of Capitalism, wherein the State owns the means of production and the citizens are the workers.

2. Socialism - The workers own the means of production, and provide their labor in exchange for a share of the profits.  Innovation and invention are based on a common consensus of what would provide the greatest benefit (i.e., profit) to the owners without causing any of the workers to lose their jobs.  Automation is seen as a threat, because one machine that replaces even one worker is anathema to the Socialist cause.

Pick your poison.


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05 Mar 2024, 6:53 pm

^Machines can further reduce the amount of time each person spends on physical labor, and the extra time can be used for mental work.
Workers can do nothing but manual labor, which is a lie of the capitalist country.


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06 Mar 2024, 1:43 am

belijojo wrote:
^Workers can do nothing but manual labor, which is a lie of the capitalist country.
There is no such "can do nothing but" lie.

A worker hired to do manual labor does manual labor, a worker hired to do mental labor does mental labor, and a worker hired to tell others what to do tells others what to do.  It's called "Division of Labor", not "Restriction of Labor".

Any worker, who is both willing and able, can train to qualify for a different or better type of labor.

I have known high-school dropouts who complained that they were hired for manual labor when they qualified for (and refused to qualify for) nothing better -- they are likely among those who originated your "can do nothing but" lie.


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06 Mar 2024, 3:15 am

Fnord wrote:
There seem to be only two basic economic systems:

1. Capitalism - The workers do not own the means of production, and provide their labor in exchange for money while the owners reap the profits.  Innovation and invention are based on what would provide the greatest benefit (i.e., profit) to the owners.  Under this definition, Communism is a form of Capitalism, wherein the State owns the means of production and the citizens are the workers.

2. Socialism - The workers own the means of production, and provide their labor in exchange for a share of the profits.  Innovation and invention are based on a common consensus of what would provide the greatest benefit (i.e., profit) to the owners without causing any of the workers to lose their jobs.  Automation is seen as a threat, because one machine that replaces even one worker is anathema to the Socialist cause.

Pick your poison.

Neither.
The winner's more or less the same. :lol:

I think the OP's problem is beyond the economic systems and it's flaws.
And just labeled it as 'capitalism culture'; i.e. hustle culture where the aggressive extroverted opportunistic money savvy wins.

He wants a present that may or may not exists in the far future that's supposedly less cutthroat and competitive, not the present that we live in as it is.


In my case, I could care less.
The result's the same with me.

No matter the economic system -- I'm still my own problem.
My coping mechanism still sucks and I'm still dealing with the same problems related to how to contribute to any systems.


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06 Mar 2024, 3:54 am

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Communism is a form of Capitalism, wherein the State owns the means of production and the citizens are the workers.


If you talk about the soviet union then yeah but this wasn't communism.
Mainstream media often paints this blue vs red capitalism vs communism but they use the Soviet union as an example, which for the most part was Stalinism, just a dictatorship by some thug who killed his smarter friends who wanted to make something interesting.

I think there might have been price fixing involved that also makes Stalinism a bit different from capitalism.

Communism has never really been implemented, just used as clever branding by authoritarian regimes. It requires the "organic awakening" of workers and communal ownership of the means of production and a classless society, None of which can be "Imposed" by a state government.

There are a lot of ways to categorise, count and exchange goods and services. A lot more than just two.



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06 Mar 2024, 3:57 am

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He wants a present


I love presents!

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OP's problem is beyond the economic systems and it's flaws.


Yes. I suppose the problem is pretty hard to pin down precisely, but to add more
words around it it is not specifically "hustle culture", but the short-term nature of current
hustle culture, as well as the adversarial psychological tactics that are prevalent.



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06 Mar 2024, 6:08 am

Fnord wrote:
Automation is seen as a threat, because one machine that replaces even one worker is anathema to the Socialist cause.
belijojo wrote:
^Workers can do nothing but manual labor, which is a lie of the capitalist country.
There is no such "can do nothing but" lie.
Any worker, who is both willing and able, can train to qualify for a different or better type of labor.

I have known high-school dropouts who complained that they were hired for manual labor when they qualified for (and refused to qualify for) nothing better -- they are likely among those who originated your "can do nothing but" lie.

I'm very sorry that I didn't express myself clearly.

I'm replying to the part about "socialism".Automation in socialism does not result in the unemployment of a few people, but in the lowering of the average number of hours of manual labor.This means that everyone is doing half an hour less physical work and half an hour more mental work.Therefore, in theory, socialism will not hinder technological development.

What you mentioned in your reply is the freedom part of the American dream.As an ideal, It's as good as Communist equality.If it works well, America is the beacon of the world.


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