Doesn't Anybody F**k Any More? — Reddit edition
So during the meal one of them gave me a load of drugs and sent me into the bogs to take them and to make a spliff.
I did go to the bathroom but then I u turned and made a very hasty exit out of the door (with a pocket full of goodies) while all these men were laughing and joking and having a good time.
Now, if I hadn't done that and this group of men had have had their way with me would I have had any rights to complain about that to anyone. I don't think I would have because I went into this situation knowing what I was getting into and really giving consent to that just so that I could get what I wanted.
But I'm thinking that some women might have tried to get them into trouble and I think that that is where men are terrified of women and so that maybe where the interaction between men and women in these types of social setting is sadly dwindling. I've seen women leading men on to get what they want and then behaving like victims when the man hasn't understood he's being taken for a ride.
Just my experience there
Imagine, guys acting like creeps and being worried they might get in trouble for it.
Yeah but what I'm saying is that I was fully aware what they were doing and I was aware of my plan. I think sometimes women are treated like they're stupid and I think that some women like to play up to this and when it all goes tit's up for them it's too easy to blame it on the guy.
It's 50/50 in my experience
In my experience, women do not normally want to get a guy in trouble for no reason, not that it doesn’t happen on rare occasions.
Especially if they were aware of your age, they would’ve deserved any punishment the law would’ve doled out.
The “boys will be boys” notion is far too prevalent in our society, and it’s harmful to women AND men.
I think I was 16. Perfectly legal in UK.
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What contract? Even if you and them wrote up a contract and signed it, the terms would be unenforceable.
Worst case scenario, you'd owe them a refund; you could not under any circumstance be obliged to f**k them.
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I'd agree with this part. But i'd say it was always the case.
I'd also say that people exploit each other and sometimes people allow themselves to be exploited because they're getting something out of it too. I've done that.
But part of living, and growing older and wiser, is learning to spot people who are exploiting you.
If you never try, you never learn. Telling men to be scared isn't the answer.
And also I think it's human nature to weight your personal experiences as more representative of the norm than may be the case. I think we're maybe all guilty of that in this thread.
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I do get. You're not guaranteed a f**k even if you're promised one all night long and the woman is perfectly within her rights to just take what ever she wants from you and then she can just walk away, demonise you and make you look like a creep to all her friends and yours even if you've done nothing at all wrong.
It's a bit of a bummer that imo
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Teenagers aren’t known for making good decisions because their prefrontal cortex is still developing. Mature adults exploit that sometimes.
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But only with your consent. Which you have the legal (and I would argue moral) right to withdraw at any time and for any reason. Including "I don't want to."
I did withdraw which was always my intention.
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^^^It is a bummer. When it happens.
The point is that some men are saying this now happens so frequently that it's not worth risking it.
Which is when my BS detectors start flashing red.
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The original post was not about women being sexually coerced or abused, which is of course horrific. It was about young people appearing to be more reluctant than in the past to try to initiate a flirtation or show interest in someone that might be romantic or sexual. I think that's a real thing that is happening with the current generation of young adults, and may also have an influence in how older people interact when seeking out a romantic or sexual partner. The speculation here has been that this is happening because men are more worried about being labeled an aggressor and that possibly women are more likely to label a man an aggressor, rightly or wrongly. I don't know whether that speculative theory is correct or not. But I do think that the original observation is accurate.
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It's a bit of a bummer that imo
Lol, those guys did something wrong. They bargained for sex with a teenager. Even if it's fully legal, as a grown-ass adult you've gotta assume you're getting conned somehow. How many teenagers would make that deal with serious intentions of following through?
Even if you dismiss any age related concerns, it's still bargaining for sex with a vulnerable adult. You make it sound like they took a teenager with developmental issues into a situation where she'd be at their mercy and highly intoxicated because she needed a meal.
You being 16 instead of 18 or 20 isn't actually high on my list of problems with that situation.
The fact that it comes off like you needed food and the huge power disparity you agreed to is what makes it really worrying to me. Getting conned is a risk, but if you don't, you've got to see the implications of what you're being part of. Doesn't matter how old that person is, clearly something is impairing their judgment (hunger, addiction, ulterior motives, etc). Either you're about to be a monster or it's a trap and they are.
They took a morally questionable (to put it mildly) gamble with their disposable income and it didn't go as planned.
I don't have any sympathy for them. They got lucky, as far as outcomes go.
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You're welcome.
I think power imbalance is a huge factor when considering consent, not just limited to this context. Power imbalance is how people get others to agree to disagreeable terms while defending those terms as fair because 'oh, well they agreed so it must be okay'.
Taking advantage of desperation shouldn't be normal.
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Who broke the contract.
I know what you're saying but reality doesn't always play out like that. Things happen.
I've seen it so many times. Friends of mine who were sex workers who take the money and have their boyfriends hiding round the corner to beat the man up.
Women who just take what they want and then absolutely demonise the man who they've just absolutely rinsed when the guy hasn't even touched them
This happens frequently.
I think men are at an absolute disadvantage when it comes to hooking up in pubs and clubs. And it is down to fear of being accused of things they haven't even done.
I'm not saying all men are innocent but by the same toke women are by no means innocent in this decline of male/female interaction in the real world.
This is a very insightful post. Thank you for posting, BB!
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