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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 3:32 am
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| If I had a measurement tool that detected the level of intellectual dishonesty, it would hit the very top with your posts. 200 sources that are either not scientific peer-reviewed or that don't even back up the fine-tuning argument are hardly sources that would back your position up. Acharya S refer... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 12:14 am
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| Jesus never claimed to be God or the Messiah. It was others who claimed him to be so, probably way after his death. The documentary and historical evidence says otherwise. Jesus said, I and the Father are one", "When you've seen Me, you've seen the Father", and often used the Exodus reference of "I... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 12:11 am
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Dantac wrote: What I can never understand is why the bible is used as a source/reference to prove/disprove ..what's in the bible. 
Think about it. If we want to figure out what's in the Bible, then the first thing we should do is check what's in the Bible. |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2014, 12:09 am
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| You made some "scientific" arguments that are not actually backed up by peer-review science papers. The fine tuning argument isn't taken seriously in the science field. That should tell you something. So as a purely philosophical exercise, it can be debunked with just postulating some form of the mu... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 7:34 am
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| I would just ignore that link. It is a Christian ministry site, and I don't really know if what they're saying is scientific. Until we see papers confirming such information to be accurate, they're meaningless at this point. I may not understand what the papers themselves may be saying exactly, but ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 2:53 am
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| Another clarification for LoveNotHate concerning probabilities: Consider a fair coin which you toss, say, 1000000 times. Say you end up with the following (H for Heads, T for Tails): HTHHHHHTTTHHHHTTTTHTHTTTTTTHTTHTHTHTHTHTHTHHHTHHTTTHHHTTTTHHHTTTT... Do you think the probability for the above outco... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 2:43 am
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| No, the fine-tuning argument the way you've been arguing it just lately is a scientific claim. Stop pretending it's mere philosophy. If it's a scientific claim, then the way to silence me is to link me to scientific peer-reviewed papers that argue for the constants doing this and that in favor of fi... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2014, 12:48 am
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| Jesus never claimed to be God or the Messiah. It was others who claimed him to be so, probably way after his death. The documentary and historical evidence says otherwise. Jesus said, I and the Father are one", "When you've seen Me, you've seen the Father", and often used the Exodus reference of "I... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2014, 11:55 pm
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| Incredulity tactic back at you. I find it astounding that you see something wrong with me asking for scientific evidence for claims that are supposed to be scientific. It's quite telling that they are not published in scientific peer-reviewed journals. Now, tell me why is that? Is there some grand c... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2014, 10:40 pm
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| But neither are scientific peer-reviewed journal articles. The first article is actually just an adapted excerpt from a book written by a theist, while the second one is on a webpage that is not part of a scientific journal but a Christian ministry site. Please stop being disingenuous. Anyone can ad... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2014, 10:24 pm
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| Jesus never claimed to be God or the Messiah. It was others who claimed him to be so, probably way after his death. The documentary and historical evidence says otherwise. Jesus said, I and the Father are one", "When you've seen Me, you've seen the Father", and often used the Exodus reference of "I... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2014, 10:21 pm
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I like how you reference theists rather than counter with proper science. And neither of the articles you link to seem to be in some scientific journal.
How about some scientific peer-reviewed articles for a change? |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 08 Jan 2014, 12:23 pm
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| It seems like people are only reading the thread title, yet again, people only read the Title not the Content. If I wrote about how arts influence music, with the thread title "Hitler invaded the USSR", people would debate hitler and soviets, not arts and music. My first post showed quite clearly t... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm
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| The only Christians today who's beliefs are more closely related to the original early followers of the Jesus movement, around his time of living, and in the years after his death, are the Gnostics. And they are not even considered true Christians by Catholics, nor Protestants, nor Orthodox. Not re... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: Christianity - A Roman invention |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2014, 1:20 pm
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| To say it is a Roman invention is to say that the Romans themselves came up with the idea of Christianity. But even your post suggests otherwise. |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: William Lane Craig's Teleological Argument |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2014, 5:39 am
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| LoveNotHate, the multiverse proposition does not have to entail every conceivable universe. An infinite number of universes is not equivalent to every conceivable universe. Consider all real numbers between 0 and 1. How many real numbers are there within that range? And yet, they do not include all... |
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