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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 07 Jul 2015, 1:13 am
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| just because we don't know exactly how things started, doesn't mean god did it. we know more things every day. the reasons to use god as an explanation are getting to be fewer and fewer. used to be folks thought illness was a sign of god's displeasure. now we know about bacteria and mutations. Scie... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 11:46 pm
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| atheism is not a belief. it's a lack of belief. Atheism is a belief system that is every bit as much a superstitious religion as voodoo. It has its own esoterica, prophets and high priests along with a plethora of irrational prejudices that have become unassailable dogma needing no justification ot... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 9:38 am
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| I don't. You won't find one single Dawkins,Hitchens or Harris reference or quote in any of my posts. I don't look to famous atheists for my beliefs because what I have is a lack of belief. You don't need to look to anybody else to not believe something. Thinking for myself also means not just agree... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 8:16 am
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| I cannot answer any questions on behalf of atheists who are upset by statements of belief in the existence of divine beings. As for myself, I find belief to be a thoroughly fascinating subject. I am intrigued by many facets of belief, including the ubiquitous inability of believers to provide a log... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 7:42 am
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| I didn't get a chance to edit the quotey thingy before the time ran out. But I guess that anyone of moderate ability will catch on to what it's about. |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: LIFE; What is it? |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 7:34 am
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Hmmm.
All that still doesn't make life something that can create itself.
I guess that there are very accomplished musicians and poets that couldn't push 93lbs 2.5 times. In fact, there are people around with no legs at all who can't push anything. What's your point, Ghogsy? |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 5:40 am
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| Then you will send me a little jar full of each so that I can do physical experiments on them? Would you also like a jar of wind, a bottle of electricity or a box full of clouds? How about a beaker of time, a pint of sound or a thimble full of gravity? Yes please! All of the above. You are not the ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 4:13 am
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| The First Cause is defined simply as the Cause that is not caused. The Cause that always was what It is; transcendent, independent and not contingent upon anything but Itself. So your "First Cause" is nothing more than a convoluted way of saying "I don't know". Why not just say ... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 2:37 am
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| All necessary attributes are important because they are what makes a thing what it is. Even one at a time seems to be more than you can comprehend. And yet you've only provided one attribute - which is a logical impossibility within the model you put forward. As for your petty slur: we're both full... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2015, 2:00 am
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| atheism is not a belief. it's a lack of belief. Atheism is a belief system that is every bit as much a superstitious religion as voodoo. It has its own esoterica, prophets and high priests along with a plethora of irrational prejudices that have become unassailable dogma needing no justification ot... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 05 Jul 2015, 4:27 pm
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| 1; Observation: things exist. 2; Observation: changeable things are dependent on being caused and sustained by things other than themselves. 3; Logic: a thing that does not exist cannot cause itself to exist. 4; Logic: changeable things are caused by an uncaused First Cause. So your definition of a... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 05 Jul 2015, 8:19 am
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| I think it is better to get your morals from your own personal judgment than from an ancient, barbaric book. "your own personal judgment" is formed, presented to you; not created by you. You cannot choose something you do not know exists. Your choices are entirely limited to accepting som... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 05 Jul 2015, 3:35 am
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| Well, what else can I say? Yes, the members of I.S.I.S. who engage in head-chopping do believe that what they are doing is right, but that's not the point. The point is that what they are doing is not right; it is objectively wrong. At all times, forever, and regardless of excuses or circumstances.... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 05 Jul 2015, 3:29 am
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| 1; Observation: things exist. 2; Observation: changeable things are dependent on being caused and sustained by things other than themselves. 3; Logic: a thing that does not exist cannot cause itself to exist. 4; Logic: changeable things are caused by an uncaused First Cause. So your definition of a... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 03 Jul 2015, 11:52 am
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| Your implication that Lintar would subscribe to your ideology if all he knew was the fashionable opinions relentlessly pushed in the media is, perhaps, correct. That's your inference, not my implication. I'm not seeking converts to an ideology, I'm contending statements by someone whose views I dis... |
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Forum: Politics, Philosophy, and Religion Topic: God doesn't seem to exist! |
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Posted: 03 Jul 2015, 11:29 am
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| Don't you pay attention to physics. We are not certain about reality. At best reality goes against common sense and we are still filling in the details we know. For you to suggest that simply because it strains ones mind to wrap it around these ideas make them false or in the zeitgeist. You guys se... |
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