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I get the same in Firefox(2) as I do in Seamonkey (Hardly surprising, as it's the same engine). What version of Firefox gives all the bullet list neatly lined up with the entirely independently positioned grey table panel?

Ah, I just saw the problem with Firefox too. I missed it the first time because I was focussed on the header so much.

Not to go off topic, but I have been so under stress and frustration, I have been missing a lot lately. Also, my neurons seem to be scrambling, as I have learned when misremembering a rule in Texas Hold'em.

I think I may be losing my mind.
If you happen to find it, please tell me.

Sorry, still can't see the problem in Firefox 2.0.0.12 but then I'm probably not sure what I'm looking for.

This is what I see...

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I assume that the bulleted list should be just tidily fitting in the left-hand grey panel. Also, I doubt that the wide gap before the footer is intentional. With Konqueror, only the first bulleted element is stretched down the page. I assume what's happening is a invalid bit of markup that is being error-tolerated differently by different browsers - which they are allowed to do.

When tested only with IE, it makes it look as if IE is "getting it right" - but it isn't. It's just making a different guess at what the code is supposed to have been saying. Hence the inconsistency amongst Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror over their displays - they also are guessing.

PS. Has painttorontogreen.com gotten confused? I got a stock 1&1 message from that domain. This was via paintcanadagreen.com, instead.

Ok Lau, now I follow you.

I thought it looked weird/wrong but figured it might have been artistic choice or just "unfinished".

The bullets were lined up neatly on the left - but yes, they look pretty terrible on the R.H.S.

I have signed up with 1and1.com and, so far, they seem good. However, they have a lot of terrible, terrible reviews on the Internet, so I'm on the fence. However, almost all of those people are people who didn't pay and are upset that their bill went to collections. Now, apparently, they went to collections right away without even telling them, which some of them are upset about, but you know, the site claims to have millions of customers and, a hundred bad reviews from millions of customers ain't bad. So far, I haven't had any problems technically with the host. I'm a little scared of running into problems cancelling, should I ever choose to, but I have to take these reviews with a grain of salt.

I'm confused at your confusion.

I took a long while to work out what you meant here.

The little round black blobs are called "bullets". They line up perfectly.

Then I saw that you are referring to the text justification. Left aligned text always leaves a ragged RHS. This is normal. One can go for space adjusting techniques that align the RHS, as per book typesetting. However, that has nothing to do with this problem.

I don't believe there has been any intention to leave the huge gap to the left of the image, or the similarly huge gap above the footer.

I am thinking that the list should have just been simply laid out beside the image, with all the items showing much as the second half show. This is what Konqueror does, with the exception of just the first item, as opposed to the first five items.

Please! Someone with IE... tell me that IE lays it out like that.

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So... I went the whole hog, and looked at what is actually happening.

The problem is the relationship between the grey square and the unordered list. The image is actually fairly irrelevant.

The image is aligned to the right. If it were not for the grey square, the unordered list would simply flow down the left of the page.

However, the grey square is a horrendous misuse of a table. It has no contents at all, and is used purely to produce a grey square by fixing its width and height. This table is also made to align right, cuddling up to the image.

Then we run into the problem. What is left now, for the unordered list to flow around, is a really thin column of space at the left. This space is too thin for even one whole word - it is mere characters in width.

Now, the rules for HTML layout allow engines to choose what to do in this sort of situation. To multiply hyphenate every word, a character or so at a time, would look ludicrous. The layout engines are making different choices.

I might guess that IE (or whatever browser was used to test the code) just decided to ignore the grey square being in the way at all.

Mozilla based engines seem to allow each word to overlap the grey square, until they get to the bottom, then the list get to flow in a more sensible way.

Konqueror seems to have got confused... I forget exactly what it did after the first list item... whether it had stretched that vertically even more so, say, by hyphenations.

Opera seems to have a bug, in that it lost the grey square's greyness, somewhere along the way.

As to the extra white space after the list, I haven't looked for what causes that. The HTML is chock-a-block full of weird usages of tables, divisions, spans... I'm confident that there are more conflicts lurking in there.

Hmm I wasn't aware that 1&1 had so many bad reviews out there. My account did lapse once a couple years ago but they simply disabled my service until I paid. It wasn't sent to collections from what I remember. I haven't had to deal with their customer service much at all besides that one time - so it might indeed be as bad as those reviews say - I really don't know. One thing I try to remember though is that happy customers rarely post online reviews, it is always the unhappy ones who post.

I haven't done anything really intense with my web hosting - it has been pretty basic stuff and just use of the email servers. But I'm planning to do more elaborate script-based stuff in the future. I guess I'll see how that goes...

It's these reviews that really concerned me, but you totally right -- people do not post good stuff. In fact, these people just may be trying to hurt the company that they think hurt them somehow.

I just got burned by 1and1 and will be switching to hostgator. The service is... wow. Just, wow.

Please elaborate... "burned" how?

I can't say my relationship with 1&1 has been perfect, but I've not used them for hosting.

One set of bad reviews hosted via www.edom.com, which is a rival hosting service (with some strange "whoisguard" facility, that tried to make my machine run a PHP script), doesn't strike me as much evidence.

It looks okay in Konqueror 3.5.1.

In Konqueror 3.5.8:

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Broken in various ways - Including the initial "I" getting snapped off, because some of the font tags don't include it. The first item only is stretched vertically, for no reason, as the grey square has got lost.

I have several domains from 1and1.

I also used to host a site which got about 15GB of traffic per month. I signed up for 1and1 and found out that their plan would not suit the purposes of my business. I called to cancel less than 12 hours later and they refused to honor their 100% money-back guarantee. I will be renewing my domains using another registrar.

Right now I use webhostingbuzz*. I've been with them for about two-and-a-half years. I moved the site mentioned above onto webhostingbuzz' hosting, and it's always been very fast(as has their SQL server). Their customer service has always been excellent, and they are very very cheap, only about $4/month.

*I don't know about WrongPlanet's policy on referral links, but that is one, if the moderators feel a need to edit it out.

The rules tell you that it is not OK to promote your own site until you has contributed something useful to WP.

As far as links to anywhere else, if they're in the slightest useful, go ahead and make them.

I find it irritating when someone mentions something that sounds worth a look, but doesn't give a link. Everyone who reads the posts has to scrabble around, trying to figure out where to go. Much nicer if the post has a link.

Does that mean I should have taken my site out of my footer?