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29 Sep 2010, 1:13 am

What if instead of NT's there where only Aspies, what would the world be like?


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29 Sep 2010, 1:31 am

I've wondered about this before.
As far as I know people would go around being a lot more direct, which would be a good thing I think, but beyond that, I just can't imagine..just that it would be REALLY different!



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29 Sep 2010, 1:40 am

It depends on what you mean by "aspie" I mean we all have such diverse degrees of the dsm symptoms. From my perspective I believe it could be a very dysfunctional world. I find the idea that having aspergers makes the person superior to those who don't, extremely foolish. Certainly we would have to find very different ways to communicate.


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29 Sep 2010, 2:28 am

incidents of rape would certainly go up...



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29 Sep 2010, 6:26 am

There would only be NT's then, because our current standard of "Aspie" would become the standard of "NT".


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29 Sep 2010, 8:23 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
It depends on what you mean by "aspie" I mean we all have such diverse degrees of the dsm symptoms. From my perspective I believe it could be a very dysfunctional world. I find the idea that having aspergers makes the person superior to those who don't, extremely foolish. Certainly we would have to find very different ways to communicate.


100,000 to 200,000 that humans have bin on this planet (i know 100,00 years is a big gap but it's kind of hard to pinpoint when human became human) one would think that we would have come up with a way to communicate. And i didn't say aspies where superior just different and it's those differences that i was referring to.


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29 Sep 2010, 9:34 am

Titangeek wrote:

.......one would think that we would have come up with a way to communicate.


my point being ASD's do not communicate well, and misunderstandings would be rife, such as this one:
Titangeek wrote:
And i didn't say aspies were superior.......


I did not accuse you this. I was just making a point that I don't like aspie elitists as I suspect that your thread might appeal to some of them.


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29 Sep 2010, 4:21 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Titangeek wrote:

.......one would think that we would have come up with a way to communicate.


my point being ASD's do not communicate well, and misunderstandings would be rife, such as this one:
Titangeek wrote:
And i didn't say aspies were superior.......


I did not accuse you this. I was just making a point that I don't like aspie elitists as I suspect that your thread might appeal to some of them.


The world is filled with misunderstandings any way


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29 Sep 2010, 4:23 pm

I would jump ship.



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29 Sep 2010, 5:41 pm

Meadow wrote:
I would jump ship.

:lol:


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29 Sep 2010, 6:33 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I would jump ship.

:lol:


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29 Sep 2010, 7:18 pm

saintetienne wrote:
incidents of rape would certainly go up...


No they wouldn't, that's just some bigoted, stereotyped opinion...Stupid trolls...Why did Hitler focused on Jews instead of trolls whyyyyyyy??! !



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29 Sep 2010, 9:54 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
It depends on what you mean by "aspie" I mean we all have such diverse degrees of the dsm symptoms. From my perspective I believe it could be a very dysfunctional world. I find the idea that having aspergers makes the person superior to those who don't, extremely foolish. Certainly we would have to find very different ways to communicate.


Precisely, as in all reality psychological diagnostic criteria, and the names of the fulfillment of said criteria, can be profoundly and crudely described as "one group of monkeys describing another group of monkeys". In that the conditions exist whether or not someone has named them, and in the absense of one state of 'normalcy' there will always be another. The concept of the spectrum exsists to account for this, but perhaps at some point in the future with 'further advances in medicine' we may find that there are comonality between displayed behavior, but there may be three, a dozen, or a thousand actual causes of what we call Asperger's. Just because someone sneezes doesn't mean they have a cold, and just because someone has a cold doesn't mean its the same cold caused by the same thing as someone else's.

I agree that merely being Asperger's is not a positive thing in and of itself. People with Asperger's are not immune to being bigots, ignorant, opinionated, or exploitative, etc. Any positive attributes that can be extruded from individuals, not "people", with Asperger's are not universally applicable nor pervasive within the group of Asperger's individuals.

Replace the OP's assertion of "only Aspies" to "only High IQ/enlightened Aspies" and there may be something there to consider, but in general, the true intelligence of Asperger's as a group, even not socially speaking, is lower than that of NT's as a group, even with the artificial inflation of mean IQ of Asperger's individuals based on restrictive diagnostic criteria. High IQ is not a trait or symptom of Asperger's.

I think a truly profound question to ponder as an alternate is: What would the world be like if humans didn't develop an insatiable affinity to live on a basis of artifice and constantly alter and destroy the natural world?

OMGZ NO INTERNETZ!

It would be closer to utopia than anything we have come close to accomplishing in the past 18,000 or so years.



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29 Sep 2010, 9:59 pm

sErgEantaEgis wrote:
saintetienne wrote:
incidents of rape would certainly go up...


No they wouldn't, that's just some bigoted, stereotyped opinion...Stupid trolls...Why did Hitler focused on Jews instead of trolls whyyyyyyy??! !


I think (at least I hope) this was a sarcastic reference to those who accuse us of being so far disassociated from empathy that we go around wantonly committing rape and murder. And once again issue of AS folk understanding and communicating with each other raises its head. How many of us use sarcasm in our day to day communication yet when it is used by others take it as a literal statement?


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31 Oct 2010, 7:25 am

I think there would be a lot more singing.

Has anyone heard of the Neanderthal Hypothesis that Asperger's is influenced by genes that started in the Neanderthals who then hybridized with Cro Magnon?

The Neanderthals did not split up talking and singing. It was all controlled by the same parts of the brain. This makes sense. Simply Neanderthals relied heavily on "singing" to convey meaning instead of things like body language and nonverbal cues.

I know I can get completely overwhelmed by feeling and emotion when listening to music, and I've heard we do tend to like music.

In our society we can't just go around singing 24-7 without being creepy. I think in an Aspie World singing everything would be the norm and we'd be able to understand each other's emotions better because we'd be using our natural way of communicating them. In fact if there were a small number of NTs left they'd have impaired social skills for not being able to comprehend emotions and meaning in music. In an Aspie World the NTs are the Aspies.



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31 Oct 2010, 7:54 am

[quote="DGuru"

The Neanderthals did not split up talking and singing. It was all controlled by the same parts of the brain. This makes sense. Simply Neanderthals relied heavily on "singing" to convey meaning instead of things like body language and nonverbal cues.

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We have not got the slightest idea of what Neanderthals did for fun. All we have are the tools and the bones. They did not keep records.

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