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14 Sep 2012, 3:26 pm

Hey!
I have a micro USB power cable for my Raspberry Pi I just gave a local store the pleasure of 7.99 for so I could have power for my raspberry pi before holiday tomorrow. Sadly, it doesn't work. It reboots the raspberry pi every 2 seconds. Its made for a HTC phone my mom has which the original adapter works fine with my Pi. Do you think I should swap cables with my mom?
Will it charge åt the same speed?
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15 Sep 2012, 8:02 pm

If it has issues with one thing, it will probably have issues with another. You should return it to the store. Until then, I would just use your mom's cable while she does not need it.


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16 Sep 2012, 5:51 am

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If it has issues with one thing, it will probably have issues with another. You should return it to the store. Until then, I would just use your mom's cable while she does not need it.

K.
Wonder what could be wrong with it.
Anyways, thanks for the advice!


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16 Sep 2012, 10:18 am

Two pins, D- and D+, are shorted together for micro USB cables intended for use with charging mobile phones.
Looks like that's enough to confuse the Raspberry Pi - you'll need a "real" (non-shorted) micro USB cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... _standards


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16 Sep 2012, 3:03 pm

By power cable do you mean a power adapter? If so it is probably being overloaded by the pi. It is probably overheating and and shutting down every few seconds, causing the reboots.

It is quite likely that it won't overheat when used to charge a phone. I would swap them and start looking for a possible replacement just in case.


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16 Sep 2012, 4:59 pm

Looking at the micro USB charging adapter for my HTC, it provides 5V at 1A and since micro USB phone chargers are supposedly universal now, I guess everyone else's would too - but I have no idea how reliable that 1A figure is and it could just mean "approximately 1A".

According to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide the Pi requires "a Micro USB power supply – make sure you use a good quality one, capable of providing at least 700mA at 5V" so if the problem isn't being caused by the shorting of D- and D+ in the cable, it could just be that his power supply is a little under-rated to power it reliably.
This has a little more detail on the supply type: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260


I'm assuming now that "cable" does in fact mean the complete power source, including the USB cable. I thought he just meant the cable alone but now you mention it, it's possibly more than that. Since he has a power supply which does power it reliably, any issue about the cable D-/D+ lines can be resolved by swapping the new cable with the original on the working power supply.

Looks like he's on holiday now so I guess we'll have to wait... :lol:


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16 Sep 2012, 5:26 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Looking at the micro USB charging adapter for my HTC, it provides 5V at 1A and since micro USB phone chargers are supposedly universal now, I guess everyone else's would too - but I have no idea how reliable that 1A figure is and it could just mean "approximately 1A".

According to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide the Pi requires "a Micro USB power supply – make sure you use a good quality one, capable of providing at least 700mA at 5V" so if the problem isn't being caused by the shorting of D- and D+ in the cable, it could just be that his power supply is a little under-rated to power it reliably.
This has a little more detail on the supply type: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260


I'm assuming now that "cable" does in fact mean the complete power source, including the USB cable. I thought he just meant the cable alone but now you mention it, it's possibly more than that. Since he has a power supply which does power it reliably, any issue about the cable D-/D+ lines can be resolved by swapping the new cable with the original on the working power supply.

Looks like he's on holiday now so I guess we'll have to wait... :lol:


The original USB standard provided for 500mA at 5v. Until high-power devices like tablets were introduced that was always more than enough. Manufacturers started upping the current in violation of the USB 2.0 standard somewhere around mid-late 2009 - and a change in the specification in 2010 for both USB 2.0 and 3.0 allows for 1.5A standard charging power, with the capability to provide up to 5A.


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17 Sep 2012, 8:12 am

Cornflake wrote:
Looks like he's on holiday now so I guess we'll have to wait... :lol:

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Cornflake wrote:
Looking at the micro USB charging adapter for my HTC, it provides 5V at 1A and since micro USB phone chargers are supposedly universal now, I guess everyone else's would too - but I have no idea how reliable that 1A figure is and it could just mean "approximately 1A".

According to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide the Pi requires "a Micro USB power supply – make sure you use a good quality one, capable of providing at least 700mA at 5V" so if the problem isn't being caused by the shorting of D- and D+ in the cable, it could just be that his power supply is a little under-rated to power it reliably.
This has a little more detail on the supply type: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260


I'm assuming now that "cable" does in fact mean the complete power source, including the USB cable. I thought he just meant the cable alone but now you mention it, it's possibly more than that. Since he has a power supply which does power it reliably, any issue about the cable D-/D+ lines can be resolved by swapping the new cable with the original on the working power supply.

Probably because the cable was some cheap cheap cheapy cheapo cable. The guy who got it me runs this mobile shop and he had to order it in. The cables worth all of 50p. :lol
Il return it and order a new one on Ebay when I get back.


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17 Sep 2012, 8:16 am

So, using the original power supply which was known to work with one cable - does it now fail when the other cable is used instead?


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17 Sep 2012, 8:18 am

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So, using the original power supply which was known to work with one cable - does it now fail when the other cable is used instead?

Yep.
Thanks for teh help.


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17 Sep 2012, 8:22 am

Problem caused by D- and D+ shorted, I'd say, since the cable you bought was intended for use with charging a mobile and not a "real" micro USB cable.


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18 Sep 2012, 1:23 pm

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Problem caused by D- and D+ shorted, I'd say, since the cable you bought was intended for use with charging a mobile and not a "real" micro USB cable.

Yep. Seems to be the case.
Il try and get a refund, but you can bet your life he wont give me a refund.
Rip off artist.
I even specified: NOT the one that trickle charges.

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18 Sep 2012, 2:58 pm

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Rip off artist.
I even specified: NOT the one that trickle charges.
Would have been better asking for a straightforward micro USB cable - but having one labelled "HTC" should have been a clue to him that it was likely intended for use with a phone charger.
You should be Ok with a refund though - it's not like the cable is worn out or anything. :wink:


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18 Sep 2012, 3:00 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Madbones wrote:
Rip off artist.
I even specified: NOT the one that trickle charges.
Would have been better asking for a straightforward micro USB cable - but having one labelled "HTC" should have been a clue to him that it was likely intended for use with a phone charger.
You should be Ok with a refund though - it's not like the cable is worn out or anything. :wink:

:lol: Yeah.... Well, fingers crossed anyway.


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23 Sep 2012, 5:26 am

I can personally recommend the charger supplied with the Samsung Galaxy S II for powering the Raspberry Pi, I have used this with no problem, they're probably not that cheap to get hold of if you don't have a Samsung smartphone but they do the job.

Another thing worth checking just in case is that you're not overloading the USB ports on it, don't forget that on the Raspberry Pi they can't supply the same 500mA per port that a desktop or laptop can.


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