Firefox 24 is a crashy heap of crap

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Ladywoofwoof
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19 Oct 2013, 9:30 pm

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Chromium seems to be a bit less crashy than Firefox 24 was, but it's basically been doing the same thing... although thankfully, a bit less often.

No, it really isn't actually now that I've been using it a bit more this evening.

It's just crashed twice while I was trying to read over my last post ... so it's probably about as bad as Firefox 24 was for crashing all the time, I reckon.
And Chromium never even had extensions installed to begin with, so it's an ultra-vanilla installation.

Well, at least it has no flashing garish crap all over the place, which is a positive thing.
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20 Oct 2013, 4:37 pm

Neither AVG nor Avast Antivirus have managed to find anything wrong with my PC.
I truly am perplexed by this problem.
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

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20 Oct 2013, 9:01 pm

My 2 cents as usual:

- There is no really good reason to use Chromium instead of Chrome. It's great that it's open source, but all of the features Chrome has that Chromium doesn't tend to be useful things, other than the slight and unintrusive spyware aspect of it.

- Firefox has always been buggy, it's just been on average slightly better since they started the rapid version updates. Chrome has been more stable and benchmarks faster on almost everything for a few years now. The only advantage FF has over Chrome is in memory footprint, and that only matters if you really can't afford a modern PC.

- IE 10 and 11 are very good. Especially with IE 11, Microsoft has abandoned their old policy of pushing their own standards when there are already existing ones. This was probably a prudent move with IE having as low a market share as it currently does. Their JS engine still isn't V8-fast, but it gets the job done. IE 11 also supports WebGL on Windows 8.1.

- Opera is pretty stable but doesn't bench as well as Chrome.

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20 Oct 2013, 10:24 pm

I use Chrome. It's alright, but it does crash occasionally, but not as often as Firefox from what I've heard here.

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21 Oct 2013, 2:53 am

I have no problems with Firefox 24 on Linux though problems with flash on the windows version.

I love Firefox

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21 Oct 2013, 1:07 pm

99% of Chrome crashes are probably also Flash related. If YouTube would get off their asses and switch to HTML5 I would just disable Flash in the browser.

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23 Oct 2013, 2:32 pm

I spoke too soon. Chrome 30 is buggy as hell.

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23 Oct 2013, 9:26 pm

I gave up on Firefox many kalikams ago.

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24 Oct 2013, 2:30 am

Not sure why. It's working perfectly fine for me.

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27 Oct 2013, 10:58 am

Ladywoofwoof wrote:

Neither AVG nor Avast Antivirus have managed to find anything wrong with my PC.
I truly am perplexed by this problem.
:?:

It's not necessarily a malware problem, but I do caution you to get rid of Paretologic RegCure as it is at least questionable and does more damage than any good.

Also, do you have two antiviruses installed?

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Neither AVG nor Avast Antivirus have managed to find anything wrong with my PC.
I truly am perplexed by this problem.

That could be contributing to the problem. Uninstall one of them and stick to just one antivirus to avoid unwanted conflicts and crashes.

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31 Oct 2013, 11:07 pm

I'd also would install and run Spybot Search and Destroy. After installing Spybot, get the latest definition updates, then run a complete system scan. I can't begin to count the times Spybot found other malware on my windows partition. The complete scan will take several hours to run, but is the most thorough package when it comes to detecting malware. I just wish they had something similar on Mac OS X. Likewise, I wish Windows had something similar to LittleSnitch on the Mac. LittleSnitch is an OS X app that prevents applications from phoning home and sending personal information to that vendor.

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02 Nov 2013, 4:48 pm

Strange, v24 has been pretty stable for me. It's actually a bit more stable than Chrome in my case. I used a version called PaleMoon though, you may wanna try if it behaves any better.

Someone already mentioned but I'll just ask again. How much memory your browser is using when it crashed? If you usually open lots of tabs and/or use lots of extensions, that may be the reason.

You may also want to disable all the plugins and see if it helps.

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04 Nov 2013, 5:29 pm

CloudWalker wrote:

Opening lots of tabs should not crash anything.

Firefox has developed a reputation as being buggy for the past few versions. 25 does not seem to be an exception. Such reputations are earned. They are slipping. Their browser is also falling from relevance due to Chrome, which is now better at everything except memory footprint. I've done some hardcore HTML5 and WebGL development and Chrome is more to standard than FF. I would go so far as to say WebGL sucks in FF.

Chrome dropped the ball slightly with 30 but most bugs I've seen have been minor nuisances. However, Chrome has been nearly rock solid for over a dozen versions now and I have very high expectations of it. V8 continues to set the standard for JS performance, insofar as JS and performance can be used in the same sentence.

In my experience, 90% of Chrome crashes have been Flash plugin related. I would really like to disable Flash in the browser, but I would have to give up on YouTube.

IE 11 is actually probably more competitive against Chrome than FF is.

The entire situation is not a bad one though. Competition has just become really tight, and standards are being adhered to for once. This isn't 2000, and it no longer really matters if you just keep whatever was preinstalled on your PC. Unless it's Safari, which is crap.

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04 Nov 2013, 7:50 pm

Wattaya mean Safari is crap? Of all the browsers I've used on both Windows and Mac, Safari has given me the least amount of problems, except when it tries to connect to some secure sites that are so tightly connected to IE and Microsoft's IIS that it's not funny.

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23 Nov 2013, 10:34 pm

Ladywoofwoof wrote:

Meistersinger wrote:

What Operating system are you using? I have Firefox running in Mac OS X 10.8.5 as well as Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Service Pack 1.

I'm using Windows 8.

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Also, where did you download Firefox from? If it came from someplace other than mozilla.org or its mirrors, then you'll get all the garbage you're seeing. I got burned the same way.

Well, I thought it was Mozilla ... but I don't really remember, and so now I'm not so sure.

None of the crap was showing up to begin with because I was running NoScript... but it's been hellish ever since Firefox insisted on resetting - and thus shut off all of the extensions. NoScript must have been worked half to death from blocking all of that junk !

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Before you attempt to reinstall, you might want to run a registry cleaner to clean the junk out of the system registry. You also might run a full scan with a GOOD antivirus and malware package, like avast antivirus and Spybot Search and destroy (the only two security packages i trust for Windows)

Peretologic Regcure reckons that it found all manner of issues with the registry when I ran it, but fixing things up seems to have made not a lot of difference.
Chromium seems to be a bit less crashy than Firefox 24 was, but it's basically been doing the same thing... although thankfully, a bit less often.

I've been using AVG.
It seems to be pretty good.
Is there a reason I might want to be changing to use Avast Antivirus, instead ?

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What you have to remember about the Mozilla foundation is that crashes actually help them debug new versions. You're right that the competition usually has more security flaws, and this is why. No matter how unstable a given version of Firefox seems on your OS, Mozilla bug reporting is most likely the most reliable, and the foundation is motivated to fix individual users' problems as a result.

I would disagree with this, purely because the Mozilla crash report software has been failing to run when Firefox crashes on my system.
Without that functioning properly, they won't be receiving any information about when and why the browser is crashing... and consequently will probably be making no endeavours to remedy whatever my individual problem is.
So basically, Firefox 24 is so uselessly unstable on my PC that as a result, the Mozilla bug reporting software is hopelessly unreliable.

On the upside, it looks as though Chromium automatically recalls text put into posts such as this one, and reloads the text when restarting after a crash (no extension required). :thumleft:

which was good to find out.

I might give Firefox 25 beta a go next, hopefully this will work a bit better.
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I just realized you said you're running Windows 8. Have you installed Windows 8.1?

AFAIC, Windows 8 is garbage. Windows 8 did a number on my Parallels installation, so much I had to delete Parallels, blow away all my virtual machines, and reinstall. Even some of the more die-hard windows users I know around here are telling me to avoid Windows 8 at all costs.

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24 Nov 2013, 7:34 am

^^ 8 to 8.1 update messed with a lot of my drivers quite badly, so be prepared.

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