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19 Feb 2007, 2:10 pm

I have always had a great inventions in my head for years and years, but there is no way to build it (too costly) or get the invention out to someone. Is there anybody else who feels this way?



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19 Feb 2007, 2:32 pm

St33med wrote:
I have always had a great inventions in my head for years and years, but there is no way to build it (too costly) or get the invention out to someone. Is there anybody else who feels this way?

OH BOY DO I!! !!
i'm glad to see i'm not the only one! i'm probably the only kid in my seventh grade who has a booklet of inventions! some of them are kinda... out there, but i like where i go when my mind wanders :wink:
my favorite is probably the most unusual one i have come up with: bassically the idea is that if you were able to split a magnet in half without disrupting the protons, they would stay magnatized, so if someone were to hold one end and let the other fall, it would only fall so far before the magnetic feild stopped it, if you could re-enforce it with copper wire so nothing disrupted the feild, you could use it as a link in a rope for rock climbing or something, it would act as a safety lock, so it wont break in that spot...


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19 Feb 2007, 3:00 pm

*whistles* It's sometimes best to keep your inventions secret. There are people/companies out there (*cough*, Sony *cough, cough*, SIXAXIS) that will steal your invention. I'm not one of those people who imitate. Innovating is really hard and companies just steal ideas off one another claiming its revolutionary and new.

Also, splitting a magnet in half will only have it make two new polar magnets. Good idea, though.

(WHY is it I am also obsessed with magnets?)



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19 Feb 2007, 3:16 pm

Yeah sadly good ideas are a dime a dozen. A very large percent of US patents have
never made a penny and never will.

In most cases the single most important factor in the invention process is money. Since you likley do not have it that means from the get go what little if any money your idea may ever make will mostly goto the capital source (rich guy/company) that funded it.

I have my own booklet of inventions to :) So long I do not even write them down anymore. I usually see them slowly get developed by others. Another thing is a truly
original idea is hard. Most what you can think of has been thought of. And many lawyers write clever patents applications to try to cover everything under the sun.



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19 Feb 2007, 3:53 pm

I read recently that the US Patent Office estimates that only 7% of all inventions patented make enough money to cover the cost of the patent process ! !!
When I was a lad I loved airplane design, and made a design for a jet palne that could take off straight up. I drew a fighter with the engines mounted on gimbels. Only later did I learn about Harriers ! !!
The best invention would be a helmet that let me interface with my computer while I used my hands to make a sandwich.


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19 Feb 2007, 4:49 pm

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I read recently that the US Patent Office estimates that only 7% of all inventions patented make enough money to cover the cost of the patent process ! !!


And you have to assume that anyone who has spent $10,000+ to get a patent has got their idea into a prototype stage that for exceeds just notes we scribble on a napkin.

And while we are all geniuses :) you have to assume only a small percent of those scribbled on napkin ideas have a chance in hell of being practical anyway.



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19 Feb 2007, 4:54 pm

Ideas are a constant stream, few products last a year, and the means of production were invented by aspies. Five-five-five rule was, it takes five years to figure out what you have invented, you think one thing, but a search of Prior Art, which means all knowledge, shows all related Patents. There are wonders to be learned. Patents start at the edge of the known, define new knowledge, and place claim stakes. Knowledge is like a crystal that is growing.

The second five years is figuring out how to make it, models, prototypes, testing, materials, and production and marketing. The last two have changed radically. CNC machines turn CAD/CAM drawings into G Code, and a block of metal into an injection mold, for a tenth of what it cost on a Bridgport with a skilled machinist a few years ago, then there is ebay, Yahoo, MSN, Barnes and Noble, Borders, who all offer online shopping. They charge 10% 15%, and for that they bring in millions of shoppers, run the credit card, and send you the rest. Just in time manufacturing means no inventory, production equals sales.

The third five is establishing a long term market. This was based on old rules, 17 year Patent, now 20 year from date of application. Most products do not last that long, and an application pending, a low cost claim, may cover everything. Hula Hoops and Pet Rocks lasted two years, and made a lot.

Only the One True Inventor can apply for a Patent. Claiming everything that might happen is science fiction, the Patent Office demands something that is new, unexpected, and defined by the drawings and specifications. The Claim or claims are bad English that further state the boundries of the invention.

I had many ideas, then saw them developed by others, for as Edison said, "Ideas are in the air, everyone gets them, but few work on them." The invention process took me years to learn, a Patent is a five paragraph essay with a conclusion. That costs a few hundred if you do it yourself. several years later comes a Notice of Approval, and a demand for $535. Then it issues.

During the several years, Patent Applied For, and after the first Office Action, Patent Pending, the patent has the same force as issued, if it does, which keeps down the sharks, who know if they play now, they might pay later.

Most inventors are serial inventors, they get ideas better than others, and once through the learning, they get a good run. Most inventors that there are records for seem AS. Tesla was AS++. Inventors are one out of five to ten thousand, AS one out of three hundred, thirty per ten thousand, compared to one or two inventors.

If you were a horse, running in the seventh, at fifteen to one, I would have $5 on the nose.

I am new here, I read, post, and would like to start a members forum on Intellectual Property. Inventors are after the fact, AS is preaching to the choir.

No matter what you have, dont tell me or anyone else, they will think you strange. The basic steps are the same no matter what. I learned with books, now it is online.

As for production and marketing, I am at that phase now, it took a lot of study, intense, jumping from field to field, having people look at me and shake their heads, such an odd man, but now I can turn out injection molds and parts, cheaper than anyone else.

I am soon launching a product, and a lot can be learned from watching. I would like to hear from anyone, send me a PM so I can keep up.

I have a goal, to found, The Inventor's Guild, to teach, and to develop, manufacture and market. Being a solo inventor is not easy, since I have discovered we start with AS, then get worse in the eyes of most.

What I have been hearing about symptoms, to me are the needed skill base. I lived a long time on an early DX, Demonic Possesion, it was the south of fifty years ago, but DP, AS, whatever, is the path to LP, Letters Patent.

I never joined anything, as soon as I found this planet I signed up. WP is the greatest thing that has happened in the Universe to date. In my view the cure for AS is wealth, strange how it changes NT thinking. I like and understand the people here, that has never happened before.

I would like to serve this community in any way I can. You are a bright spot in a long life. I understand some of the skills and drives I see here, but those of you who started writing code at ten are going to have to help out. Together we have it all, and can keep it.



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19 Feb 2007, 5:12 pm

I remember there was some guy on ebay selling copies of old US patents. I bought a couple of mechanised duck decoy patents that I thought was very funny that anyone could have thought those contraptions could ever have worked.

Some patents are very funny.


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19 Feb 2007, 5:25 pm

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
I remember there was some guy on ebay selling copies of old US patents. I bought a couple of mechanised duck decoy patents that I thought was very funny that anyone could have thought those contraptions could ever have worked.

Some patents are very funny.


I saw a patent for an artifical anus. I was just sure it was some sick joke. But it was a real device for treating someone who may have had theirs removed do to cancer.



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19 Feb 2007, 5:39 pm

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The second five years is figuring out how to make it, models, prototypes, testing, materials, and production and marketing. The last two have changed radically. CNC machines turn CAD/CAM drawings into G Code, and a block of metal into an injection mold, for a tenth of what it cost on a Bridgport with a skilled machinist a few years ago, then there is ebay, Yahoo, MSN, Barnes and Noble, Borders, who all offer online shopping. They charge 10% 15%, and for that they bring in millions of shoppers, run the credit card, and send you the rest. Just in time manufacturing means no inventory, production equals sales.



I have a sherline mini-mill I converted to CNC. I also made one of those hand operated injection molding machine at work (well truth be known my coworker did most the work on the molding machine from a copy of the book on the subject by "Vince Gingery" that I gave him) I just machined the injection chamber. I made one simple mold where I made a simple part. You certainly could make a plastic object yourself and sell it on E-bay.



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19 Feb 2007, 6:40 pm

I am thinking a darlington pair keyboard would be awesome. Dip the whole thing in acrylic until you just had the exposed contacts and you have one durable solid state keyboard.



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19 Feb 2007, 6:51 pm

This sort of illustrates what I have in mind:
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19 Feb 2007, 10:59 pm

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This sort of illustrates what I have in mind:
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Battery operated it it would be reasonably safe but AC line driven power supplies
in most PC may not be isolated enough to be sure a lightening strike or some other
electric surge might not work its way to your keyboard. I know it maybe unlikely, But
I have seen modems get fried many times from lightening strikes(granted it worked its way down the phone line). On one surface mount chips had exploded!

You would need some logic connected to reject touches that were too fast. Because the slightest touch would trigger it.

Oh since we are sharing ideas. One idea I had for a wireless keyboard was to recharge its battery via keystrokes. The keys would have magnets in them and a coil
below would generate the pulse needed to detect a key press and it would generate extra power to recharge a capacitor which slowly discharges to charge a battery.


Oh by publicly posting these things assuming we are the first person with these ideas
we have in effect set a timer in which we have one year to patent the idea or it becomes public domain.



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19 Feb 2007, 11:23 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
Battery operated it it would be reasonably safe but AC line driven power supplies
in most PC may not be isolated enough to be sure a lightening strike or some other
electric surge might not work its way to your keyboard. I know it maybe unlikely, But
I have seen modems get fried many times from lightening strikes(granted it worked its way down the phone line). On one surface mount chips had exploded!

One idea I had for a wireless keyboard was to recharge its battery via keystrokes. .....

Wireless would be safe wouldn't it ?

sounds like a great idea. I'm on the way to the patent office ...... :lol: (only joking - your secret is safe with me)


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20 Feb 2007, 2:00 am

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
Battery operated it it would be reasonably safe but AC line driven power supplies
in most PC may not be isolated enough to be sure a lightening strike or some other
electric surge might not work its way to your keyboard. I know it maybe unlikely, But
I have seen modems get fried many times from lightening strikes(granted it worked its way down the phone line). On one surface mount chips had exploded!

One idea I had for a wireless keyboard was to recharge its battery via keystrokes. .....

Wireless would be safe wouldn't it ?

sounds like a great idea. I'm on the way to the patent office ...... :lol: (only joking - your secret is safe with me)


By all means, go ahead and go there. I'm not going to develop it.



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20 Feb 2007, 2:03 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
ahayes wrote:
This sort of illustrates what I have in mind:
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Battery operated it it would be reasonably safe but AC line driven power supplies
in most PC may not be isolated enough to be sure a lightening strike or some other
electric surge might not work its way to your keyboard. I know it maybe unlikely, But
I have seen modems get fried many times from lightening strikes(granted it worked its way down the phone line). On one surface mount chips had exploded!

You would need some logic connected to reject touches that were too fast. Because the slightest touch would trigger it.

Oh since we are sharing ideas. One idea I had for a wireless keyboard was to recharge its battery via keystrokes. The keys would have magnets in them and a coil
below would generate the pulse needed to detect a key press and it would generate extra power to recharge a capacitor which slowly discharges to charge a battery.


Oh by publicly posting these things assuming we are the first person with these ideas
we have in effect set a timer in which we have one year to patent the idea or it becomes public domain.


If you were going to get hit by lightning through the contacts then the buttons in your regular keyboard wouldn't provide adequate insulation anyways. Power supplys in computers and USB hubs are isolated enough so that the supply will fry before you do.

I was thinking of using optoisolators anyways to protect the keyboard circuitry from static discharge. (they are incredibly cheap)