Why can't anything go faster than the speed of light?

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17 Dec 2015, 7:51 am

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You will be surprised what DARPA has developed or developing out there in the deserts of California.

Unless it is cartoons, whatever they develop isn't going to involve faster than light speeds.

You do not have relatives who work at Plant 42 or at Edwards AFB. They are working on very super secret stuff that will make George Lucas drool.

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17 Dec 2015, 7:54 am

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Your story keeps changing, FMF. This thread has gone way off-topic and degenerated into a one-man p*ss*ng contest. Even if what you now say is true, flying planes and shooting off toy rockets does not confer any authority or expertise in the field of relativistic physics ... or military secrets. Also, who is known is not as important as what is known. A person could have once shaken hands with C.R. Dawkins and still know nothing about science.

You wanted my gravitas and I gave it to you.Period. Now we can proceed with subject. If you want to pursue it dwell on the subject further its your perogative.

I think you should look up the meaning of the word "Gravitas".

Arguments from false authority can be ignored.

Arguing with people like you can be a very exhausting thing especially when they do not know me. Remember, you started down this road.

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17 Dec 2015, 8:04 am

I have recommended that this site be locked down.

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17 Dec 2015, 9:30 am

"SITE"??????

I think that you mean "this thread" locked. Dont you?

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17 Dec 2015, 11:27 am

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I have recommended that this site be locked down.

MODERATING

A thread started by another member will not be locked at your request simply because you don't like the way you have been challenged in that thread.

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17 Dec 2015, 12:17 pm

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Jules Verne, Paschal Grousset/André Laurie and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky fiction proved to be fact in the 1930s-1940s with the development of the V-2 rocket. Today's fiction will be tomorrow's fact

Exactly my point. In each of those cases of far out vision coming true- what seemed like a far out vision in that time was a microscopic baby step compared to what you are taking for granted is inevitable for our time.

Jules Verne used the same Newtonian physics in his moon travel story as NASA would later use to get real astronauts to the moon.

But we dont have the physics that allows us to even approach light speed.

you're expecting (a) a third revolution in physics comparable to the first two upheavels (Newton,and then Einstein) to happen, and then (b)for us to be able to apply that new physics to technology, and to then (c) build actual space ships, and then (d) to actually send these craft to other stars, and for them to return (which even at light speed would take decades to centuries). you're demanding each of those impossible steps to happen in quick succession (each one taking decades to centuries to unfold even if they could happen), and for all of them to happen in the next forty years. I dont know if you're trolling, or if you really are taking it for granted that we are going to have commuter shuttles to Epsilon Eradani in forty five years. But if its the later, sorry. Aint gonna happen.

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17 Dec 2015, 1:05 pm

the speed of light is relative to the observer. from an observers standpoint light always travels at the speed of light regardless of the observers velocity. foreward and aftward and out both sides and toward, light travels equally fast from any location whether moving or not.

the speed of light is relative to the observer and so existence is tuned instantaneously to that effect (yes i am getting flowery in my language).

the speed of light and spatial velocity as referenced between 2 points is not in the same dimension of reality, and so the fact that nothing can travel relative to you at faster than the speed of light does not mean that you can not traverse distances that require faster than light speed relative to you in the same time.

that is what i believe and not a statement of learned fact.

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17 Dec 2015, 1:09 pm

frenchmanflats wrote:

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You will be surprised what DARPA has developed or developing out there in the deserts of California.

Unless it is cartoons, whatever they develop isn't going to involve faster than light speeds.

You do not have relatives who work at Plant 42 or at Edwards AFB. They are working on very super secret stuff that will make George Lucas drool.

It doesn't matter. They aren't doing faster than light speeds.

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17 Dec 2015, 1:50 pm

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You will be surprised what DARPA has developed or developing out there in the deserts of California.

Unless it is cartoons, whatever they develop isn't going to involve faster than light speeds.

You do not have relatives who work at Plant 42 or at Edwards AFB. They are working on very super secret stuff that will make George Lucas drool.

If your relatives have revealed anything to you above an UNCLAS rating about their work, then they are looking at hard time at USP Leavenworth.

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17 Dec 2015, 4:08 pm

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If your relatives have revealed anything to you above an UNCLAS rating about their work, then they are looking at hard time at USP Leavenworth.

It's best if they don't say anything about their work even if they tell someone something wrong to mislead them. For example, if we were at war and had a troop ship leaving for the war zone at 6:00 on Saturday morning, I think it would be a significant breach of security if they told someone that the ship was leaving at 9 am on Monday morning.

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17 Dec 2015, 6:26 pm

I dont wanna go infinite speed like a tachyon.

All I ask is to just be able to go a few times the speed of light (because thats the humble kinda guy I am).

So I dont know why they cant just capture a few tachyons to harness to the front of my car. A handful of tachyons striving to go infinite speed towing my car would probably get me to five or six times the speed of light.

And I suspect that that is what Santa Clause does. Its tachyons, and not reindeer.

Merry Christmas to all.

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17 Dec 2015, 7:02 pm

Fnord wrote:

frenchmanflats wrote:

eric76 wrote:

frenchmanflats wrote:

You will be surprised what DARPA has developed or developing out there in the deserts of California.

Unless it is cartoons, whatever they develop isn't going to involve faster than light speeds.

You do not have relatives who work at Plant 42 or at Edwards AFB. They are working on very super secret stuff that will make George Lucas drool.

If your relatives have revealed anything to you above an UNCLAS rating about their work, then they are looking at hard time at USP Leavenworth.

Its all rumor and innuendo.

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17 Dec 2015, 7:47 pm

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If your relatives have revealed anything to you above an UNCLAS rating about their work, then they are looking at hard time at USP Leavenworth.

Exactly. Diseminating disinformation can get a person in as much trouble as can spreading rumor and innuendo. Even saying "No Comment" to an outsider's question regarding on-base activities could earn someone anything from a new assignment counting seagulls in Adak to a summary Court Martial with forfeiture of pay, loss of rank, and a less-than-honorable discharge from the military. Any civilian DOD worker can also be brought before a military tribunal for violation of secrecy laws and face similar penalties, as well.

On-line anonymity won't protect anyone. With enough information regarding a person's background, interests, relationships, and general location, the authorities can determine a person's identity and the identity of his or her relatives, and find out exactly who has been leaking state secrets.

All it takes is one phone call.

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17 Dec 2015, 8:38 pm

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If your relatives have revealed anything to you above an UNCLAS rating about their work, then they are looking at hard time at USP Leavenworth.

Well you are going to be calling on everyone in the entire Antelope Valley including several magazines and web sites.People in the Antelope Valley has seen this craft in flight.

Source:America's New Secret Aircraft" Popular Mechanics, December 1991. p. 32-5. Gregory T. Pope
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18 Dec 2015, 5:15 am

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I dont wanna go infinite speed like a tachyon.

All I ask is to just be able to go a few times the speed of light

A tachyon would be be any particle traveling faster than the speed of light even if only the most minute fraction faster.

Of course, there is no evidence that tachyons exist.

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18 Dec 2015, 7:22 am

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I dont wanna go infinite speed like a tachyon. All I ask is to just be able to go a few times the speed of light

A tachyon would be be any particle traveling faster than the speed of light even if only the most minute fraction faster. Of course, there is no evidence that tachyons exist.

The only 'evidence' for the existence of tachyons is in the mathematical predictions, which also predict that it would take an infinite amount of energy for a tachyon to slow down to the speed of light.

I think that the maths need to be refined.

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