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05 Feb 2013, 8:30 pm

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"Forgot to get buried in them"? Who, pray tell, does occupy those royal sarcophagi, then?

The Pyramids at Giza were all empty except for a so called 'coffer', which itself in no way resembles a vessel of that type or made for such a purpose.
Empty: Devoid of any fixtures, furnishings or ornamentation of any kind.

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And where did all the images, photos, and rubbings of elaborate imagery from the inside of the tombs originate, if the walls are "devoid of any ornamentation"?

This thread is mainly about the three Giza pyramids, and usually about the largest of them.
If you still see a historical inaccuracy with regards to this, please raise it and I will re-post.



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06 Feb 2013, 3:53 pm

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I don't think there are only three options.

I personally wonder if the great pyramid wasn't built as some sort of reaction to the inexorable flooding after the last glacial age. Seems like something really high would be very appealling in that kind of situation.

That would explain why it was one of the first pyramids ever built. What other type of architecture began with its biggest example? It would also explain the much older date ascribed to the pyramids by the people who refer to the orion alignment. It would also explain why the only "sarcophagus" found in the great pyramid looks as out of place as a cardboard spoiler on a Japanese street car.

It would NOT explain the lack of pottery and such found nearby dating back to that older date. Nor would it explain why the king's chamber air shafts seem to align well with stars around 2500 BC.

Facts that could go either way are that work was rather obviously done on the mortar and such around 2500 BC, and that glyphs are present suggesting something around that time period. Just because they redid the Statue of Liberty exterior in the 80's doesn't mean it isn't older. Same for the pottery and boats and buildings and such in the vicinity from that era.

I do think it makes a hell of a lot of sense that most of the limestone blocks were poured in place rather than than being carried whole to the location. I believe the same technique would work fine on the "sarcophagus" as well, so no need for it to have been present all along.

I doubt aliens were involved because I see no evidence of that whatsoever. Nothing about the pyramids seems impossible or even unlikely given the construction techniques we know were available at the time.

But there might be other explanations altogether. Maybe a way to keep a standing army busy, or something, and demonstrate its discipline and strength to other nations. Maybe a way to impress a chick. Maybe an attempt at a perpetual motion machine. Who knows.


The Pharoah Cheops built it - "to impress Jody Foster"!



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06 Feb 2013, 7:54 pm

ripped wrote:
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"Forgot to get buried in them"? Who, pray tell, does occupy those royal sarcophagi, then?

The Pyramids at Giza were all empty except for a so called 'coffer', which itself in no way resembles a vessel of that type or made for such a purpose.
Empty: Devoid of any fixtures, furnishings or ornamentation of any kind.

The pyramids at Giza are empty because they have been pillaged.


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06 Feb 2013, 8:33 pm

Who built the pyramids?

As previously stated in this thread.

Wait for it......

People.


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07 Feb 2013, 1:42 am

Tollorin wrote:
ripped wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
"Forgot to get buried in them"? Who, pray tell, does occupy those royal sarcophagi, then?

The Pyramids at Giza were all empty except for a so called 'coffer', which itself in no way resembles a vessel of that type or made for such a purpose.
Empty: Devoid of any fixtures, furnishings or ornamentation of any kind.

The pyramids at Giza are empty because they have been pillaged.

The lower reaches of all pyramids had been entered in antiquity.
The upper passages of the great pyramid were breached by Al Mamun in 820 AD.
Historical accounts of the time refer to there being not a single soot mark on the roof, nor drop of candle wax on the floor, not a broken pot shard nor discarded scrap of linen.
Which is to say, the historical account states Al Mamun found them empty.



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07 Feb 2013, 2:01 am

We should only believe the historical accounts that support our theory.



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07 Feb 2013, 2:26 am

I built the pyramids to attract mates, plural.



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07 Feb 2013, 2:27 am

JBlitzen wrote:
We should only believe the historical accounts that support our theory.

You can back up what you say.



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07 Feb 2013, 2:46 am

So ... the original question was: Who built the pyramids.

Occam's Razor says the ancient Egyptians.



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07 Feb 2013, 5:33 am

So as soon as the Big Bang occurred, the pyramids appeared? But there was no Earth back then, so where were they situated?



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07 Feb 2013, 11:47 am

ripped wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
ripped wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
"Forgot to get buried in them"? Who, pray tell, does occupy those royal sarcophagi, then?

The Pyramids at Giza were all empty except for a so called 'coffer', which itself in no way resembles a vessel of that type or made for such a purpose.
Empty: Devoid of any fixtures, furnishings or ornamentation of any kind.

The pyramids at Giza are empty because they have been pillaged.

The lower reaches of all pyramids had been entered in antiquity.
The upper passages of the great pyramid were breached by Al Mamun in 820 AD.
Historical accounts of the time refer to there being not a single soot mark on the roof, nor drop of candle wax on the floor, not a broken pot shard nor discarded scrap of linen.
Which is to say, the historical account states Al Mamun found them empty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza#Looting

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Although succeeding pyramids were smaller, pyramid building continued until the end of the Middle Kingdom. However, as authors Briar and Hobbs claim, "all the pyramids were robbed" by the New Kingdom, when the construction of royal tombs in a desert valley, now known as the Valley of the Kings, began.[44][45] Joyce Tyldesley states that the Great Pyramid itself "is known to have been opened and emptied by the Middle Kingdom", before the Arab caliph Abdullah al-Mamun entered the pyramid around AD 820.[46]

I. E. S. Edwards discusses Strabo's mention that the pyramid "a little way up one side has a stone that may be taken out, which being raised up there is a sloping passage to the foundations." Edwards suggested that the pyramid was entered by robbers after the end of the Old Kingdom and sealed and then reopened more than once until Strabo's door was added. He adds "If this highly speculative surmise be correct, it is also necessary to assume either that the existence of the door was forgotten or that the entrance was again blocked with facing stones" in order to explain why al-Ma'mun could not find the entrance.[47]

He also discusses a story told by Herodotus. Herodotus visited Egypt in the 5th century BC and recounts a story he was told about vaults under the pyramid built upon an island where lay the body of Cheops. Edwards notes that the pyramid had "almost certainly been opened and its contents plundered long before the time of Herodotus" and that it might have been closed again during the Twenty-sixth dynasty of Egypt when other monuments were restored. He suggests that the story told to Herodotus could have been the result of almost two centuries of telling and retelling by Pyramid guides.[48]


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07 Feb 2013, 1:20 pm

JBlitzen wrote:
Occam's Razor says they were always there.


No man made object is Eternal. Are you saying the Pyramids of Giza are not of human origin?

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07 Feb 2013, 1:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
JBlitzen wrote:
Occam's Razor says they were always there.


No man made object is Eternal. Are you saying the Pyramids of Giza are not of human origin?

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Oh no... :pale:


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07 Feb 2013, 1:34 pm

Jeubs H. Kryst on a fracking krutch! The Egyptians built the Great Pyramids all by themselves with no help from extra terrestrial aliens.

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07 Feb 2013, 4:20 pm

JBlitzen wrote:
Occam's Razor says they were always there.


No.

Occam's Razor is that "the simpliest explanation THAT FITS ALL OF THE FACTS is the right one".

The pyramids, are like beer cans, they are obviously manufactured objects. So they could not have been 'always there". So the 'always there theory doesnt cover all of the facts".

That they were built by somebody at somepoint- and that that somebody was- the ancestors of the local folks who still live there (ie Egyptians) is the simpliest explanation that covers the facts that (a) they exist, and (b) somebody obviously built them.

So- according to Occam's Razor "Egyptian humans built them".



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