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23 Jul 2009, 7:23 pm

Is there a way to childproof sockets? Make them thicker, maybe? Anything to get rid of that boyfriend-girlfriend-think-you're-a-monster look.


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23 Jul 2009, 7:42 pm

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Some may be sad because they may hurt you because they are in the wall wrong side up. That is...if the metal wall plate is loose and drops down on the plug prongs it can be electrified. If the socket is turned around it will only contact the ground. 8O :nerdy:


What? That is the strangest thing i have ever heard.

The wallbox that the plug is situated in is grounded. Nowadays they are even plastic. They dont conduct. The wall face plates contain no metal at all. The sockets are incased in plastic, with the wires attaching to screws on the sides, behind the plastic faceplate. A wire falling off will render the whole system inert and leaves the wire blocked off from human contact, with the path of least resistance being to ground, not through a person.


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23 Jul 2009, 8:01 pm

ok. you can google it, have fun.



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23 Jul 2009, 8:09 pm

rathernotsay wrote:
ok. you can google it, have fun.


How about I used to be an apprentice electrician and installed several hundred?

So what the heck are you talking about?


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23 Jul 2009, 8:14 pm

ok. I did find a site that said not to because the electricity would fall out 8O



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23 Jul 2009, 8:17 pm

There is really no such thing as an upside down plug ........ unless its written in the manufacturer's installation instructions or written on the outlet (some actually have "top" written on them) you can install the receptacle in any direction you like.

The Electrical Code doesn't require a specific orientation of a duplex outlet. Most often the ground is at the bottom, but the outlet can be mounted horizontally as well as vertically.

Many prefer that the ground be located at the bottom .... the thinking is if the plug works loose the ground remains in contact longer. If mounted horizontally most prefer to have the neutral (wide blade) side up so any foreign object that falls onto a partly exposed blade would contact either the neugral or the ground.

GFCIs often have the test/reset indicators labeled so they can be read whether the ground is up or down. In other words ...... it's a choice.

In the IEEE standard 602-1996, section 4.2.2 ...... advises that hospital-grade outlets be used and that they should be mounted with the ground pin or neutral blade up to assure that any metal that may drop between the plug and the wall will most likely contact an unenergized blade.

I got that from a smart guy.^



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23 Jul 2009, 8:43 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Is there a way to childproof sockets? Make them thicker, maybe? Anything to get rid of that boyfriend-girlfriend-think-you're-a-monster look.


Yes my brother has them for his kids. Most of them are boxy looking contraptions. And you will be transformed into the thoughtful resposible adult she always new you were.



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23 Jul 2009, 9:09 pm

rathernotsay wrote:
There is really no such thing as an upside down plug ........ unless its written in the manufacturer's installation instructions or written on the outlet (some actually have "top" written on them) you can install the receptacle in any direction you like.

The Electrical Code doesn't require a specific orientation of a duplex outlet. Most often the ground is at the bottom, but the outlet can be mounted horizontally as well as vertically.

Many prefer that the ground be located at the bottom .... the thinking is if the plug works loose the ground remains in contact longer. If mounted horizontally most prefer to have the neutral (wide blade) side up so any foreign object that falls onto a partly exposed blade would contact either the neugral or the ground.

GFCIs often have the test/reset indicators labeled so they can be read whether the ground is up or down. In other words ...... it's a choice.

In the IEEE standard 602-1996, section 4.2.2 ...... advises that hospital-grade outlets be used and that they should be mounted with the ground pin or neutral blade up to assure that any metal that may drop between the plug and the wall will most likely contact an unenergized blade.

I got that from a smart guy.^


Ah, that makes better sense. Thanks.

Yes there is no bias as far as mounting. Its easy enough to install them upside down, and the modern ones at least have labels indicating up.

You often find them mounted sideways in industrial applications, especially in work benches with power receptacles.

I had your meaning confused with details about internal connections. Sorry.


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23 Jul 2009, 9:22 pm

It's was all cool Fuzzy. What do you do now?


I think it's the silent gape. Anyone else have a reason why they look sad?



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23 Jul 2009, 9:25 pm

I came into this thread because I was thinking about socket wrenches, so couldn't figure out the happy/sad issue until the photos. And now I know much more out electrical sockets (outlets?) than I did. Thanks all.

P.S.: As I look at the socket on the wall, I'd describe it's expression as "surprised" or "stunned", with one "eye" wider than the other. But I'm terrible at reading facial expressions on humans...so this outcome is hardly shocking.



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23 Jul 2009, 9:30 pm

Oh my sockets are very lonely since no two of them are in the same place.



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23 Jul 2009, 9:30 pm

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I came into this thread because I was thinking about socket wrenches, so couldn't figure out the happy/sad issue until the photos. And now I know much more out electrical sockets (outlets?) than I did. Thanks all.

P.S.: As I look at the socket on the wall, I'd describe it's expression as "surprised" or "stunned", with one "eye" wider than the other. But I'm terrible at reading facial expressions on humans...so this outcome is hardly shocking.


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25 Jul 2009, 2:42 am

DivaD wrote:
denmark has happy sockets! :D

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Not to anthropomorphize, but never considered electrical sockets as 'happy' or 'sad,' or any emotion.

But they are sexual.


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27 Jul 2009, 12:54 am

Oh goodness what a new idea to me, I have never considered if sockets are happy or sad.

On the gender issue, I think that for some socket/plugs it is clear.

4 mm Banana plugs, UK, Swedish (type F), UHF (M type) have clear gender I can see instantly which is male and which is female.

The French / Czech / Polish type E, BNC, TNC, N series, twinax do not show clear gender. While for the RF plugs the core of the coax is connected to a pin the pin does not stick out and it is in a socket like recess which is part of the plug.

I just wish that I could get RF plugs and sockets to reproduce, it would quite nice if I could leave a few N type plugs and sockets in my spares bag and come back in a week and find either new N type or BNC plugs / sockets.


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27 Jul 2009, 6:08 am

Hmm... maybe they're sad to get you to feel good about putting a plug in them.

Still, it would be nice to see a change there, in my opinion.


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