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13 Feb 2010, 12:20 am

A PC shouldn't be too expensive.



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13 Feb 2010, 6:52 am

True, a normal PC is cheaper. However, if you go to Dell and build a server and then carefully add parts to that, you can save even more money. Yes, you can go to Best Buy and get a powerful gaming desktop. They may even help you make monthly payments. That isn't the best way to go about it.

I'd put your money into the graphics and sound cards. The stores generally build computers with far more storage and far more powerful CPUs then you need & then go cheap on the graphics and sound cards. They do this so that you come back to Geek Squad or whoever later and then upgrade.

Servers have better cooling fans. Generally, their motherboards have more buses and slots for daughter boards. The cases are physically larger and many have locking doors on the front for physical security. The Windows 7 64 bit OEM DVD and license is cheaper then the full version.

You don't need 7 Ultimate for a gaming machine, but it's a good idea to get that. Ultimate has hard drive encryption so that your personal data doesn't get stolen if the computer is stolen.

I've built a few of these for people before. The results have been quite good.



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18 Feb 2010, 1:12 am

whitelightning777 wrote:
I'd put your money into the graphics and sound cards. The stores generally build computers with far more storage and far more powerful CPUs then you need & then go cheap on the graphics and sound cards. They do this so that you come back to Geek Squad or whoever later and then upgrade.

Very true. The weird thing is it's true even for those gaming rigs.

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Servers have better cooling fans. Generally, their motherboards have more buses and slots for daughter boards.

This I'm not so sure. It may have a better CPU cooler if you buy a server class CPU (at what cost?) but there are definitely better ventilated desktop case than servers. The bus part is also not true unless you are talking about multi-socket boards.

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Ultimate has hard drive encryption so that your personal data doesn't get stolen if the computer is stolen.

That is full disk encryption. It's useful if you are very concerned about privacy. To the point that you don't even want a forensic team to know what you have done on your computer. But that comes with a heavy overhead that I'm not sure a gamer would want. A milder version of folder and file encryption that anyone logged into your account can access has been available in Windows for years and you don't need Ultimate for that. Anyway, if you are interested in this feature, TrueCrypt is a viable alternative.



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18 Feb 2010, 4:29 am

True crypt is a good product. However Ultimate doesn't just have encryption. You get the media center (for play and DVDs) + you can join domains when you work.

Servers DO have more slots available on their motherboards all things being equal. You typically have both IDE and SATA ports which can be put into RAID (but not with each other) There are more fan slots that are available if you overheat.

Multiple PCI-express buses are the norm. Servers are basically heavy duty PCs in a slightly larger tower. I would not use a rack server or a blade server to make a gaming machine.

You can get a tower server from Dell for $500, OEM Ultimate for $200. A good graphics card ($200 to $400+) A good sound card $100 approx. Try that with one of those falcon or alienware PCs ! ! 8)



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23 Feb 2010, 3:28 pm

Ok, this time I think I'll finally buy as discounts have come to the shop near my house: prices are similar so please tell me which one (gaming first) among these:

1) Intel Celeron T3100, Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M

2) AMD Athlon II Dual-Core M300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, 512 MB DDR3 dedicated

3) Intel Pentium T4400, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, 1 GB DDR3 dedicated

4) Intel Core i3-330M, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470, 512 MB DDR3 deidcated

5) Intel Core 2 Duo T6670, Nvidia GeForce GT 320M 1 GB of video memory

6) AMD Turion II Dual Core M500, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, 1 GB dedicated


1 and 2 are a little cheaper, please tell me



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23 Feb 2010, 4:09 pm

I'd avoid 1 and 4. 1 has an integrated graphics card, and an i3 is a low-end CPU that might do good for gaming, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'd say 5 is your best bet, of the computers you've chosen. But the others(aside from 1 and 4) are also good.



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23 Feb 2010, 6:01 pm

Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
Ok, this time I think I'll finally buy as discounts have come to the shop near my house: prices are similar so please tell me which one (gaming first) among these:

1) Intel Celeron T3100, Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M

2) AMD Athlon II Dual-Core M300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570, 512 MB DDR3 dedicated

3) Intel Pentium T4400, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, 1 GB DDR3 dedicated

4) Intel Core i3-330M, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470, 512 MB DDR3 deidcated

5) Intel Core 2 Duo T6670, Nvidia GeForce GT 320M 1 GB of video memory

6) AMD Turion II Dual Core M500, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, 1 GB dedicated


1 and 2 are a little cheaper, please tell me


I like AMD a little better then Intel. I'd say go with 6 or 2. #5 is also OK, but you'll pay more for the Intel name. Remember, for gaming you only need a multiple core CPU. The graphics and sound are most important.

Or just build it yourself unless the same absolutely beats what you can do.



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26 Feb 2010, 12:37 pm

So I went for the 5, part for the specs, a little part for aesthetics and part because it's Asus and the others Acer and I've read the former is more reliable and has better customer service. Hope it will suit my needs, it definitely looks beeeeeautiful



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26 Feb 2010, 3:06 pm

AMD CPUs are cheaper for the same computing performance but they are also more power hungry which means shorter battery life. Other than that, 5 looks like a good choice.