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Thousands! 46%  46%  [ 11 ]
Millions! 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
Chillions! (futurama) 33%  33%  [ 8 ]
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02 Jan 2011, 5:55 pm

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I have never pirated any software either. I did once use some software licensed for me by a previous employer, in order to save the data in a non-proprietary format, and I felt really guilty that I hadn't erased the software the day the contract ended ...

Just getting your data out from their proprietary format, is, I think, fair game, even if you have to pirate something to do it.


No, I did not have to pirate anything - I had a licence code for software when I was under contract, and used the same licence code again, when I had to export the data to produce a further report for the same employer. Almost all my data is in open standard formats, and I should have exported that data into a non-proprietary format during the project.



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03 Jan 2011, 5:27 am

Thousands.

Music production software doesn't come cheap and if it weren't for BitTorrent I doubt I would have pursued being a musician. I mean $500 for Cubase 5? And that's not counting all the plug-ins and instruments that can go as high as hundreds of dollars each. Forget it; I shouldn't have to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to be able to get a decent sound.


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03 Jan 2011, 6:55 am

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I DON'T STEAL!


Neither do I...

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03 Jan 2011, 1:54 pm

^ I now see TWO pigs

MORE BACON! :hail: :heart:


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03 Jan 2011, 9:13 pm

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^ I now see TWO pigs

MORE BACON! :hail: :heart:


tomaré huevos con bacon!! !


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04 Jan 2011, 12:53 am

I only download things I could never, ever afford. So probably about 3,000? I'm going to make it up to myself some day by donating a buttload to Wikipedia, and others who could charge but don't.



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04 Jan 2011, 7:48 pm

I don't feel one bit guilty downloading from Pirate Bay.


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06 Jan 2011, 8:50 am

It's subjective...

First torrents create copies whereas theft is the removal of the original so these is no actual theft occurring when using the language objectively and in a mathematical manner.

Secondly there is a difference between media and software. The communists in hollywood have dictated that they will collect 70 cents for every $1 MP3 because you know it's the producers making the music and writing the songs and the artists just show up, get dressed and take pictures...oh wait the artists make the music and get totally boned by the studios. So I recommend supporting the artists directly or going through an indie channel that gives most of the money to the artists. They make most of their money from concerts if they're lucky enough to go on tours.

Software is different because while performing art does require effort, skill and time it simply does not compare to programming and the insane number of layers of complex issues that can arise. However at the same time I think a grand for Photoshop is absolutely absurd though software developers certainly should be compensated for their efforts. In an analogy to RIAA and MPAA jackasses Activision didn't pay the developers of the Call of Duty series even though the last game they made brought in over a billion dollars in sales. You'd think you'd want to keep the people who made a billion dollars in sales happy to the extent that they'd keep making more mega-money producing products but greed is shallow and they screwed them over.

There's a middle ground for everything and context is important too and you can never forget how communism can mess everything up as it's a factor that almost always has to be taken in to account in pretty much all social-political issues.



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06 Jan 2011, 2:55 pm

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However at the same time I think a grand for Photoshop is absolutely absurd though software developers certainly should be compensated for their efforts.

It is not for you to decide what a fair price is. They wrote the software, they offer it at a certain price, and you can either buy or not buy depending on if you think it's worthwhile. If the price is too high, then buy the competition instead.


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06 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

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However at the same time I think a grand for Photoshop is absolutely absurd though software developers certainly should be compensated for their efforts.

It is not for you to decide what a fair price is. They wrote the software, they offer it at a certain price, and you can either buy or not buy depending on if you think it's worthwhile. If the price is too high, then buy the competition instead.


Something is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. If the price is too high for him then it isn't good value.



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06 Jan 2011, 3:01 pm

And hence you do not buy it.


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06 Jan 2011, 3:05 pm

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And hence you do not buy it.


Yeah, you just pirate it ;)



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06 Jan 2011, 3:08 pm

Or, if you possess a sense of morality, you find a different piece of software that you can afford and use that one instead.


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06 Jan 2011, 3:11 pm

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Or, if you possess a sense of morality, you find a different piece of software that you can afford and use that one instead.


Why? Adobe wouldn't get any money out of it either way, so you might as well get the software you need.



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06 Jan 2011, 3:40 pm

They created it, they wrote it. They have certain rights over that which they produce. They have no rights over what their competitors wrote. If you want to go against Adobe, the appropriate way to do that is to boycott until they drop prices to a level you find reasonable, not to simply take whatever you want.


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06 Jan 2011, 3:42 pm

Orwell wrote:
They created it, they wrote it. They have certain rights over that which they produce. They have no rights over what their competitors wrote. If you want to go against Adobe, the appropriate way to do that is to boycott until they drop prices to a level you find reasonable, not to simply take whatever you want.


But, again, if this person isn't gonna be buying the software anyway, Adobe loses no potential sale, and therefore no money, so I fail to see your objection.