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16 Jan 2011, 6:52 pm

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How does dual video cards work? You just plug another card in that is the exact same as the other one and it dual processes video? Also I do not know linux. In about a month the PC will have 18GB of DDR3 2000 RAM. The dual video card thing does that help with graphics development or is it just for games?


I've seen Dell Blade Servers with 256 GB ram. Instead of overclocking I'd buy a computer that has a motherboard that supports two processors. Two gigabyte graphics cards are nothing. On the Dell website they offer Precision workstations with 6 gigabyte graphics cards. You say that dell isn't upgradable? Why don't you tell me why so I can understand.



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16 Jan 2011, 6:54 pm

Motherboard replacement is hard and even with the CD-ROM drives I've never been able to pull them out to put in a DVD Drive. 6GB video cards are extremely expensive. My funding is derived from public support and not government. Though I will be getting government money shortly on a regular basis it is not ethical to buy what is not needed. The competition of having the best PC is well fiscally unwise.


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16 Jan 2011, 7:09 pm

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Motherboard replacement is hard and even with the CD-ROM drives I've never been able to pull them out to put in a DVD Drive. 6GB video cards are extremely expensive. My funding is derived from public support and not government. Though I will be getting government money shortly on a regular basis it is not ethical to buy what is not needed. The competition of having the best PC is well fiscally unwise.


I didn't say you should get it. It's just a certified desktop for high end applications. It's specifically designed as a tool not a toy.



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16 Jan 2011, 7:41 pm

To me the system I purchased rocks and is a value in the long run because I can change out components without replacing unnecessary parts. For what I am doing I think it will help as with my current PC with 4GB RAM, 2.7 or so megahertz P4 and 1GB video card it freezes for long periods when I am designing my posters. I even reformatted the PC hoping it would solve the problem.

Had I not bought a dell or any other major brand I would have saved around $800 on this required equipment for development.

Dell is akin to the days of Packard bell (Packard hell). When I buy training PC's I buy liquidation IBM's. I got a P4 3.2 megaherz IBM for $150.00.


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16 Jan 2011, 7:50 pm

Well......I did not realize you had already purchased it.
Everything in your list totals to $1,400
Your list appears to be the work of cyberpowerpc
Did you realize this is an older I-7 ?
The P67 is 30% faster and 30% less power
and it cost about 30% less



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16 Jan 2011, 7:55 pm

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Well......I did not realize you had already purchased it.
Everything in your list totals to $1,400
Your list appears to be the work of cyberpowerpc
Did you realize this is an older I-7 ?
The P67 is 30% faster and 30% less power
and it cost about 30% less


I am not sure if it is older or not but the other i7's were 300+ more in cost but it was the only set of processors that allowed for up to 24GB of ram at DDR3 2000 in 4GB modules with a total of 6 slots. 8GB modules seem elsewhere to be ECC and very expensive and I got to have a balance between performance, upgrade ability and value. After shipping and tax around $1590.00. I can change out the motherboard and CPU later on. However my understanding of computer hardware advancements stopped in 1999 - 2000.

Next time I order a motherboard I will get one that can take two processors for graphics development after talking on this forum.


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16 Jan 2011, 8:27 pm

Here are the NewEgg prices for the Identical Items without combo discount's - some assembly required :lol:

You have plenty enough horsepower for CS4 and AutoCad simultaneously. (with more ram)

Thing is, the X58 platform is a power monger

That was the ONLY advantage AMD previously held.

That has been smashed to bits with the release of the P67

The Sabertooth P67 is available through OEM's only at the moment

1 - 21 - 11 is the Public release date, there is a Huge difference, mostly power / noise

Speaking of which - the current config you got there, is a fire breathing dragon of a machine.

Consider a couple This Side Fan and This Top Fan - chances are the case will not come with either (both are quiet)



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16 Jan 2011, 8:57 pm

It does come with case fans but I choose not to upgrade to higher end ones. It already has liquid cooling and I do have a 2 fan card here to put in it for next to the video card which also has fans. Also the RAM I am getting comes with dual fans.

I have really relished this nerdy talk and now crave a hot dog.


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16 Jan 2011, 9:37 pm

I hope your new rig helps you catch up after all you've mustered.



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17 Jan 2011, 11:56 pm

The high end application certified desktops are normally used scientists, engineers, video editors, and graphics designers. In fact they do have a specialized mathematics processor. I haven't seen HP offer that mathematics processor. The blade servers are specially designed desktops that run a server operating system. The computer that you have beats mine. I'm wanting a faster one because I've ran so many programs on it that it starting laging really bad. It's only 2.4 GH.



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18 Jan 2011, 10:15 pm

ci wrote:
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AMD Phenom II kicks the crap out of Intel i7 in terms of value. For less than the price of that i7,you could get a 6-core AMD Phenom II 1100T at 3.3GHz. Or get a 3.5GHz quad-core AMD for about $100 cheaper than the 3.06GHz Intel.


I was going to get that but none of the motherboards took 24GB's of RAM or had 6 RAM slots. I deal with marketing images like posters above 5000 or 10,000 by 5,000 - 10,000. I figure when the i7's go down on price when the next technology is released I can upgrade to the best i7 cheaply. With this computer case I can replace the motherboard and everything as well and put the old one into another PC to make another workstation for the disability skills and employment center someone is helping me setup.

Through PC liquidations sources I can get P4 3.0ghz systems for $120 that are liquidated dells and other major brands due to recession. This PC is my graphics hot rod I just purchased after saving from working making candles for 4 years. It's a business expense.

That's because AMD's chipsets don't yet support triple channel ram. If you go AMD, you your max is 16 GB, if you go intel, your max is 24, but will be significantly more expensive. But since it's graphics you're worried about, just go AMD and get a solid CPU and put the rest into a GPU, which you don't seem to have listed.

If you're serious about this, it'd be a better idea to go to OCN, and browse around. If you're thinking about doing, one of them has done it.



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18 Jan 2011, 10:18 pm

The company phoned and said they ran out of 2GB video cards. I then canceled the order. I am going to have to wait another 6 months as I just put the money into a super surplus of production inventory for the transition of the disability work center. I will post again about my needs and hopefully by then they will have a motherboard that will take 32+GB's of RAM and 4GB video cards will come down in price. Until then no new poster work for me.


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18 Jan 2011, 10:22 pm

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The company phoned and said they ran out of 2GB video cards. I then canceled the order. I am going to have to wait another 6 months as I just put the money into a super surplus of production inventory for the transition of the disability work center. I will post again about my needs and hopefully by then they will have a motherboard that will take 32+GB's of RAM and 4GB video cards will come down in price. Until then no new poster work for me.

I seriously doubt that much ram would ever be necessary...

Is it read/write times for ongoing projects you're worried about? Because that can be fixed with an SSD. On the subject of inventory, Newegg and Amazon almost never run dry.



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18 Jan 2011, 10:36 pm

Is there any performance benefit to RAID SSD?


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18 Jan 2011, 10:41 pm

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Is there any performance benefit to RAID SSD?

You'd definitely saturate the BUS bandwidth, but RAID doesn't support TRIM, which is a must for SSDs. The good ones (anything with the Sandforce 1200 controller) are fast enough on their own that RAID is unnecessary. My system uses an OCZ SSD and boots windows 7 in 10 seconds.



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18 Jan 2011, 10:57 pm

Right now this is the best SSD on the consumer market I'd believe.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820233126


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