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02 Dec 2012, 7:06 pm

i wonder how much it would cost?



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02 Dec 2012, 7:35 pm

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i wonder how much it would cost?

How high is 'up'?

From what I understand about this "Warp Drive" hypothesis, it requires an exotic form of matter that has not been proven to exist -- it has never been discovered in its natural state or produced in a laboratory.


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02 Dec 2012, 9:42 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
i wonder how much it would cost?

How high is 'up'?

From what I understand about this "Warp Drive" hypothesis, it requires an exotic form of matter that has not been proven to exist -- it has never been discovered in its natural state or produced in a laboratory.

i'm no genius when it comes to these things, but i remember reading about element 115 somewhere which those in the know say is required to make our own interdimensional craft.



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02 Dec 2012, 11:46 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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i wonder how much it would cost?
How high is 'up'? From what I understand about this "Warp Drive" hypothesis, it requires an exotic form of matter that has not been proven to exist -- it has never been discovered in its natural state or produced in a laboratory.
i'm no genius when it comes to these things, but i remember reading about element 115 somewhere which those in the know say is required to make our own interdimensional craft.

What you're looking for can be found at the Element 115 website.

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... the U.S. Government had 500 pounds of Element 115 in their possession. The raw Element 115 was given to the U.S. Goverment at S4 by the Reticulan EBEs in the form of discs...

The whole website is too stupid to do anything about.

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02 Dec 2012, 11:57 pm

there is the island of stability but that aint 115 and it probably wont be that stable.

usually they hit even numbers in their predictions for "doubly magic" isotopes.


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03 Dec 2012, 1:15 am

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If a private party wishes to attempt to build such a thing I wish him good luck but I would not want him to pick my pocket to do his thing.


I agree fully with this. Our spending is already so massive that we sure don't need to massively increase it on this.


nasa is less than .5% of the spending. And is by far the thing that has most improved humanity of all gov spending. I say we should cut a bunch of other BS programs and quadruple nasas budget. Maybe that way the future might be worth living in



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03 Dec 2012, 1:25 am

Forget about NASA. It's run by a bunch of politically-motivated and incompetent brass-kissers who couldn't care less how many astronauts they kill as long as they keep getting funded.


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03 Dec 2012, 1:31 am

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Forget about NASA. It's run by a bunch of politically-motivated and incompetent brass-kissers who couldn't care less how many astronauts they kill as long as they keep getting funded.


more people die playing stupid games than nasa has killed. And thats even before you compare nasa to other space agencies. I sometimes wonder if well even get the real count of how many cosmonauts died in action over the cold war, as we know of many cover ups. And thats before going on the "politically motivated" crap. Guess what, everything including yourself is politically motivated. The difference is this one thing has done more good than most other things added on. Without so many of the things started by nasa modern life would be nothing like it is now.



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03 Dec 2012, 1:42 am

The point is that those astronauts would not have died if NASA administrators had shown as much concern for their safety as they showed for their pension plans.


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03 Dec 2012, 1:49 am

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The point is that those astronauts would not have died if NASA administrators had shown as much concern for their safety as they showed for their pension plans.


Neither would most racecar drivers of the same era have died if the car designers thought more of making a heavy car full of safety things or one that can win championships and bring in money for everyone. Those people knew the risk, they accepted their jobs for that risk and they enjoyed it with the risk. s**t happens, deal with it. Humans learn from mistakes, want a modern example? Every single rule in the FAA about airplanes was done because someone crashed and died, and then they figured out people should know about it. Thats also how most things like seatbelts, safe barriers, speed limits, license ages, etc were brought along. If anything i never understood how strapping yourself to thousands of tons worth of highly explosive substances in hopes of it launching you at 15,000 mph a couple hundred miles in the air has had such a low death toll.

Anyhow, it now sounds like you're bashing something which you have little to no knowledge on besides a youtube clip.



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03 Dec 2012, 3:02 am

NASA divides by zero, folds space. Spacing guild navigators wanted!

:lol:

Seriously - I can't see how it's even possible... can ANYTHING go faster than the speed of light? There was that recent particle accelerator that came awfully close and some people SAID it did but there was serious debate as to if it was juuuust over or under the barrier.

I thought the very idea is that of something were to go faster than light its physical properties would become irreversably changed, possibly to that of pure energy (since almost unlimited energy would be required to achieve it, according to Einstein. Right?



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03 Dec 2012, 4:59 am

that was a measurement error or an error in how they collated their data, cant really remember.

in special relativity any object is barred from reaching the speed of light locally

but from what we can tell alcubierres field equation allows one to accelerate not the object but the space around teh object, the objects local frame of reference would be as still as a pond under ice even if the whole system viewed from outside would be moving faster than light.


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03 Dec 2012, 9:38 am

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that was a measurement error or an error in how they collated their data, cant really remember.

in special relativity any object is barred from reaching the speed of light locally

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That error was resolved withing a month. They found out their timing was off.

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03 Dec 2012, 6:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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that was a measurement error or an error in how they collated their data, cant really remember.

in special relativity any object is barred from reaching the speed of light locally

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That error was resolved withing a month. They found out their timing was off.


They failed to pass light speed then - right? We'd be hearing about it much more if they had.



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03 Dec 2012, 6:35 pm

BlueMax wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Oodain wrote:
that was a measurement error or an error in how they collated their data, cant really remember.

in special relativity any object is barred from reaching the speed of light locally

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That error was resolved withing a month. They found out their timing was off.


They failed to pass light speed then - right? We'd be hearing about it much more if they had.


thats correct.


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15 Dec 2012, 2:21 am

First physicists have to make some breakthroughs in physics. NASA would then hire a group of engineers and physicists to figure out the technical details.

For the present, building a warp drive is way beyond our technical capabilities.