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26 Jan 2013, 2:49 pm

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What in the blue hell is that?!


You're not a Stargate SG1 fan then. :P


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26 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

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I laughed loud enough to disturb the neighbours upstairs! :D

Indeed...

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... and did you wet yourself as well, Blue Max?


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26 Jan 2013, 5:30 pm

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Trick question. The Pyramids are a natural geological phenomenon. They were created by an extremely obsessive earthquake.


Utter and complete nonsense. Can a tornado rushing through a junk yard produce a complete 747 ready to fly?

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That's the argument the academic community gives for the creation and genius of the human species.



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26 Jan 2013, 5:43 pm

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And yet even in our age of high technology we cannot replicate the achievements of pre-dynastic Egypt.


Why should we and how could we. We have lighter stronger materials than granite and limestone. Carbon fibers will last forever. Steel wont last forever but will last long enough to sink the capital costs of construction. Forever is not necessary for being useful.

But we havent established what the pyramids are for yet.
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As to labor, we have outlawed slavery. There is no way we can get 50,000 sweating wretched folk to labor 20 years without a break just to build a tomb for some megalomaniac who thinks he is a God.
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And there is no reason to suspect the pre-dynastic Egyptians could either.
I live in Australia where there are plenty of convict built buildings.
A convict in this case was comparable to a slave.
Based on the 'accepted' view of Egyptian archeologists, the tools available at the time to the pyramid builders were more primitive than the tools available to 18th century Australian convicts.
Yet in no convict building to be found is there even one stone cut to the accuracy of any block on any of the Giza pyramids.



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26 Jan 2013, 6:06 pm

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And yet even in our age of high technology we cannot replicate the achievements of pre-dynastic Egypt.

BS. To make perfectly measured stones like the Egyptians used, all you need is time. They had time. More specifically, they had a labor force of thousands. More workers = less time needed.

And how much time are we talking here?
-20 years for each pyramid.
How many blocks in the Great Pyramid?
-Two million and three hundred thousand.
How big are the blocks?
-The average weight of the blocks is two and a half tons each.
There is 6,840,000 tons of limestone and granite blocks in total.
Every face of every one of these blocks is flat, square, true and on size to within two hundredths of an inch.
And they were all 'made by guys pounding them perfectly flat square and to size with other rocks'!

My question is: How long would it take a mason of today to pound one multi-ton rough split slab into one of these finished pyramid bricks to within two hundreths of an inch - using a smaller rock.

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Logistically is easy, again time is all you need. You can move stones weighing a thousand tons by using leverage correctly.

That's right, you can move them a few inches.



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26 Jan 2013, 8:31 pm

50 to 100 thousand men for twenty years or 2 thousand thousand man years (at probably 12 hours per day) or 2 million man years. More than enough labor to do the job.

The Pyramids were not built by aliens and stones have to be either lifted or rolled up ramps.

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26 Jan 2013, 8:45 pm

It is racist to accuse Egyptians of being too inept (i.e., stupid, weak, et cetera) to construct their own pyramids.


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26 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

The Egyptians invented writing and calculation for themselves. They were masters at managing vast public works projects. They were master stone workers, they were clever mechanics and practical engineers, and (mark this well) they were top notch surveyors and astronomers The Greeks learned geometry from the Egyptians. In fact the greek word Geometry literally means surveying or (Earth) (Measurement) geo metrein. The main greek contribution was in transforming Egyptian technique from a collection of practical rules of thumb to an axiomatic system where the results could be inferred logically from a small number of assumption. The Egyptians invented surveying. The Greeks invented the Theorem.

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26 Jan 2013, 10:56 pm

ripped wrote:
Guilliman wrote:
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And yet even in our age of high technology we cannot replicate the achievements of pre-dynastic Egypt.

BS. To make perfectly measured stones like the Egyptians used, all you need is time. They had time. More specifically, they had a labor force of thousands. More workers = less time needed.

And how much time are we talking here?
-20 years for each pyramid.
How many blocks in the Great Pyramid?
-Two million and three hundred thousand.
How big are the blocks?
-The average weight of the blocks is two and a half tons each.
There is 6,840,000 tons of limestone and granite blocks in total.
Every face of every one of these blocks is flat, square, true and on size to within two hundredths of an inch.
And they were all 'made by guys pounding them perfectly flat square and to size with other rocks'!

My question is: How long would it take a mason of today to pound one multi-ton rough split slab into one of these finished pyramid bricks to within two hundreths of an inch - using a smaller rock.

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Logistically is easy, again time is all you need. You can move stones weighing a thousand tons by using leverage correctly.

That's right, you can move them a few inches.

Why are you assuming the stones were carried and not poured?

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/pyramid-tt0402.html



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26 Jan 2013, 11:42 pm

Some may have been poured, but the materials still has to be hauled up to the construction site, and only ordinary muscle power is needed for that.

"Propose no cause that the available evidence will not support." This is a version of Occam's Razor, which is a tool of reason that eliminates magic, psychic powers, and extra-terrestrial involvement in the construction of the pyramids, since there is no evidence to support anything other than ordinary muscle power in their construction.

Questions are not evidence. Assumptions are not evidence. Superstition, racial prejudice, and general ignorance of ordinary scientific principles are not evidence.

All available evidence points to human labor as the primary force in the construction of the pyramids.


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26 Jan 2013, 11:47 pm

Not sure you understood my point.

If the stones were poured, then human labor becomes a very plausible explanation.

(Though I also suspect that there's validity to the argument that the pyramids were built quite a bit earlier than is generally assumed.)



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27 Jan 2013, 1:21 am

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50 to 100 thousand men for twenty years or 2 thousand thousand man years (at probably 12 hours per day) or 2 million man years. More than enough labor to do the job.
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So how long would it take you to accurately shape one two and a half ton limestone block using only another rock to hit it with?



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27 Jan 2013, 1:22 am

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It is racist to accuse Egyptians of being too inept (i.e., stupid, weak, et cetera) to construct their own pyramids.

The I suggest you refrain from doing so.



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27 Jan 2013, 9:01 am

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But we havent established what the pyramids are for yet.


Essentially the pyramids are a pile of rocks with a dead guy underneath. They represent an obscene waste of manpower and resources.

If you want to marvel at some ancient engineering/building projects, check out some Roman waterworks.

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27 Jan 2013, 11:33 am

ripped wrote:
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It is racist to accuse Egyptians of being too inept (i.e., stupid, weak, et cetera) to construct their own pyramids.
The I suggest you refrain from doing so.

I never have. I suggest that you refrain from stating or implying that I've said otherwise.

Those who even suggest that extra-terrestrials had to have been involved in constructing the pyramids are making a racist statement against the Egyptians.


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27 Jan 2013, 12:32 pm

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So how long would it take you to accurately shape one two and a half ton limestone block using only another rock to hit it with?


The Egyptians used metal cutting tools.

They also used wooded wedges to widen the cracks.

Who needs aliens?

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