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02 Dec 2014, 7:28 pm

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ok, lemme put it this way- imagine going to a coder or program author/creator and asking him to write you a program that does x, y and z. he would in due time hand you a program and empty your pockets in exchange. I propose instead a digitized version of that programmer that would cut out the middleman.

...but the person who created the AI would empty your pockets.

after the amortization of a few years and distribution of the billions, I imagine the damages would not be too bad.

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06 Dec 2014, 7:33 pm

I think it should be optional. But then again, I think all sciences should be optional.

Quality matters more than quantity. Good scientists are hard to come by, and the public school system just waters the talent pool down even more. Most Americans don't even like math and science.

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07 Dec 2014, 1:20 am

Barchan wrote:

I think it should be optional. But then again, I think all sciences should be optional. Quality matters more than quantity. Good scientists are hard to come by, and the public school system just waters the talent pool down even more. Most Americans don't even like math and science.

IMHO, most mathematicians and scientists don't even like most Americans, also. it is a two-way street, if they want more emulation and respect they need to up their outreach efforts outside of the ivory towers. americans need to be convinced that advanced knowledge/expertise in science and math can make their own lives better.

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07 Dec 2014, 1:40 am

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americans need to be convinced that advanced knowledge/expertise in science and math can make their own lives better.

That's easy. Just for a day, take their TVs away, their computers, cell phones and cars as well. Let them drink unprocessed water from the local river and, when they are feeling ill afterwards, advise them to consult a medicine man, etc.

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07 Dec 2014, 6:51 am

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I can't remember if it is you that is a paramedic. But yes we would like something that diagnoses and cures on the spot, without need for health professionals, so they are surplice to requirements. Lets create AI so we don't have to think. Why would we even be creative? Isn't that their job?

In short programming is still a skilled job, and it can take hours of dedication.

Actually programs are make all the time, that attempt to bridge the gap for people unwilling to learn anything. These aren't always the best. Learning curve isn't always the enemy. The skills you learn can help you far more. The problem is people where often never taught how computers work, merely how to use bad software, that would be redundant soon, and they don't understand the processes behind it.

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07 Dec 2014, 6:55 am

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"When someone says: 'I want a programming language in which I need only say what I wish done', give him a lollipop."

What does that mean?

If you are sucking on a lollypop what can you not do easily?

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07 Dec 2014, 8:31 pm

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I can't remember if it is you that is a paramedic. But yes we would like something that diagnoses and cures on the spot, without need for health professionals, so they are surplice to requirements. Lets create AI so we don't have to think. Why would we even be creative? Isn't that their job? In short programming is still a skilled job, and it can take hours of dedication. Actually programs are make all the time, that attempt to bridge the gap for people unwilling to learn anything. These aren't always the best. Learning curve isn't always the enemy. The skills you learn can help you far more. The problem is people where often never taught how computers work, merely how to use bad software, that would be redundant soon, and they don't understand the processes behind it.

in addition to being a high-skilled job, it also requires a logical mindset and natural facility with maths/mathematical concepts. not all of us were born with the proper neuroanatomical "right" stuff for such. IOW just as some people can never become musicians no matter how hard they try, some of us can't do logic no matter how hard we try, we just don't have the right stuff. a virtual genius would be a game changer on earth. and no, never a paramedic but did wrangle medical instruments in an operating room.

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08 Dec 2014, 3:44 pm

auntblabby wrote:

if they want more emulation and respect they need to up their outreach efforts outside of the ivory towers.

That's a good point. Scientists are at least partially responsible for the stigma against themselves.

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08 Dec 2014, 3:45 pm

Barchan wrote:

That's a good point. Scientists are at least partially responsible for the stigma against themselves.

There is stigma against scientists? I didn't know that.

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08 Dec 2014, 3:48 pm

starkid wrote:

Barchan wrote:

That's a good point. Scientists are at least partially responsible for the stigma against themselves.

There is stigma against scientists? I didn't know that.

it is not that there is any stigma but instead, it is a case of how most people don't seem to care for most scientists because most scientists don't seem to care for most people. there is a broad cognitive gap between the two groups [scientists and lay people].

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23 Dec 2014, 3:08 pm

They should be Optional but encouraged.

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