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19 Jun 2017, 4:45 pm

I wish...... :mrgreen:



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20 Jun 2017, 1:53 am

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So I solved dark energy...


well you may have "solved" some manner of philosophically conceiving of it...........etc


Unfortunately your photos are too blurry for me to make out.


there was only one photo.
it was not posted as a vehicle for discussion because i know it is too blurry to read. i did not have a scanner working so i photographed it.

i posted the picture to demonstrate the length of consideration (the photo is just 4 of thousands) i have given to the matter, and i can not provide a solution, so the OP should realize he needs readable proof of his assertion.

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20 Jun 2017, 2:05 am

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The Universe is something which can be speculated on endlessly---and much of the speculation could turn out to be correct.

However, I find that one really cannot determine the complete efficacy of any cosmological theory until one actually experiences travel away from the confines of the Earth/Moon system.

I tend to believe, "on faith," that the Universe is infinite.


it does not require experience in a physical sense to understand underlying concepts.

well some conceptual thoughts are, "infinity" and "negative infinity" are at the extremes of a never ending spectrum, which is bisectable by zero.
zero lies midway between + and - infinity, but zero does not exist.
so if +infinity is added to -infinity, then zero is the result.
what a dilemma.
nothing is the "sum total" of the universe one would be forgiven for thinking.
but since the universe is composed of points of locality which have no dimensional existence and yet compose infinity, then ..... we just got to evolve for a few thousand years intellectually to embrace the idea i guess.



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20 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

The best way to "get" the idea is to "experience" the idea empirically.

Though, of course, one can think of abstract concepts without physically "experiencing" them. I do that.

When it comes to the "laws of physics," though, I am inclined to believe one would be better served if they traveled to distant locales where the "laws of physics" within an Earth context might not apply.



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20 Jun 2017, 12:41 pm

Think ^0.
Everything converges to 1.
The atom = quantum.

It is such a simple model.


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21 Jun 2017, 12:47 pm

I would take your theory back to the drawing board.

This concluding sentence of your's (you hafta admit) doesnt really make much sense:

Dark energy is particles being displaced from the gravitational field by trapping them in stars as they are spun up to higher energies in the intense particle fields. Dark matter is the particle field.



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21 Jun 2017, 12:57 pm

What do you not understand?
Gravitational field = particle field?
Spin = rotation?


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21 Jun 2017, 1:05 pm

ScottTheSculptor wrote:
What do you not understand?
Gravitational field = particle field?
Spin = rotation?


So..."dark energy is the particles being displaced by the particle field, by trapping them in stars as they are spun up to higher energies in the intense particle fields."

in other words:

"The particle field is the particle field being trapped by the particle field being whipped into higher energy in the particle field."

Sorry. I just dont get it.



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21 Jun 2017, 3:32 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
I would take your theory back to the drawing board.

This concluding sentence of your's (you hafta admit) doesnt really make much sense:

Dark energy is particles being displaced from the gravitational field by trapping them in stars as they are spun up to higher energies in the intense particle fields. Dark matter is the particle field.

naturalplastic, should I learn this or is it sarcasm?



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21 Jun 2017, 4:32 pm

Claradoon wrote:
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I would take your theory back to the drawing board.

This concluding sentence of your's (you hafta admit) doesnt really make much sense:

Dark energy is particles being displaced from the gravitational field by trapping them in stars as they are spun up to higher energies in the intense particle fields. Dark matter is the particle field.

naturalplastic, should I learn this or is it sarcasm?


I don't understand what you're asking.

The part that is after the colon (that is bolded) is copied and pasted from the OP's OP. I copied and pasted it instead of putting it into a quote box just for the heck of it. Its not my words, but his words.

AFIAK he wasn't being sarcastic, and I wasn't being sarcastic about what he said.



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21 Jun 2017, 9:48 pm

Gotcha. Thanks.



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25 Jun 2017, 7:30 am

Synchronicity! Look what popped up in my mailbox this morning.

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T. S. Eliot

If space and time, as sages say,
Are things which cannot be,
The fly that lives a single day
Has lived as long as we.
But let us live while yet we may,
While love and life are free,
For time is time, and runs away,
Though sages disagree.



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25 Jun 2017, 7:37 am

Eliot was such a great poet. Why did he become such a starchy conservative?



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25 Jun 2017, 7:46 am

A person's writings do not reflect their personality or their way of facing the world. It's the Muse we're listening to. The author/poet is somebody else entirely.



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25 Jun 2017, 7:58 am

Now I have a question for scientists. It's a real question so please don't mock me.
You'll have heard this before:

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If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there, does it make a noise?

A tree falls - not noise, just a great rush of air.
So we insert a person, or a bunny rabbit - anybody with an eardrum - a bit of the rush of air is caught by the ear, makes the eardrum send a message to the brain, which is the first to perceive this signal as ... noise!
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Is this true/right?



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25 Jun 2017, 8:04 am

I'm not a scientist. I find that the tree fell, even if I'm not there. The person/bunny rabbit perceived it after the eardrum received it--through brain processes.

I wish Eliot was more influenced by his muses.