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26 Jun 2020, 9:13 pm

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Yes. Thats been the notion for decades...that this creature is real, and that it is a survived plesiosaur.

And Ive gotta admit that that pic does look like the top of a plesiosaur breaking the surface.


Hypothetically if the "beastie" was a small species of fresh water plesiosaur then it makes sense it adopted the darker pigmentation on the dorsal ridge since in the age of dinosaurs it would have been predated on by larger predators.

Its weird how the pigmentation is so similar to the model (I think archeologists can derive likely pigment colour from fossils).



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27 Jun 2020, 2:50 am

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Yes. Thats been the notion for decades...that this creature is real, and that it is a survived plesiosaur.

And Ive gotta admit that that pic does look like the top of a plesiosaur breaking the surface.


Hypothetically if the "beastie" was a small species of fresh water plesiosaur then it makes sense it adopted the darker pigmentation on the dorsal ridge since in the age of dinosaurs it would have been predated on by larger predators.

Its weird how the pigmentation is so similar to the model (I think archeologists can derive likely pigment colour from fossils).


"Paleontologists". Not "archeologists". Archeologists dig up human remains, and human artifacts. Paleontologists dig up animal bones, and fossils.

Weird? Or suspicious? This pic in the news could be a photoshopped hoax. And the hoaxters might be copying the model in the museum.

Actually they are not totally alike in color. The model is gray, and the thing in the pic is speckled like a trout.

I have thought about Nessie for years. Had a theory once that Nessie is not a plesiosaur but a hesporonis. Hesporonis was an extinct flightless seabird - kind of looked like a penguin, but with a long neck (like a loon), and the insides of its beak was serrated (it would have looked like it had teeth). It was as a big as a seal, or a human. So if it fell through a time warp and appeared today it might well be mistaken for the Loch Ness Monster. And it lived much closer to the present than did plesiosaurs.

But that pic, if real, does not look like an overgrown water bird, but does look like a plesiosaur's back.

One problem is that Loch Ness didnt form until long after the extinction of the dinosaurs and plesiosaurs- as I understand it.



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27 Jun 2020, 5:06 am

Yes palaeontologists...

I find it fascinating that extinct animals from before the dinosaur period do turn up
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Yes the overwhelming consensus from scientists is the Loch sightings are giant eels or some other known aquatic creature.

However snakey beasties that resemble plesiosaurs have been seen in freshwater lakes all over the world

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01 Jul 2020, 10:52 pm

Another sighting of Nessie


Apparently 2020 has already seen 5 plausible sightings



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01 Jul 2020, 11:11 pm

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Yes my understanding is the Loch is land locked


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"It is connected at the southern end by the River Oich and a section of the Caledonian Canal to Loch Oich. At the northern end there is the Bona Narrows which opens out into Loch Dochfour, which feeds the River Ness and a further section of canal to Inverness, ultimately leading to the North Sea via the Moray Firth. It is one of a series of interconnected, murky bodies of water in Scotland..."



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02 Jul 2020, 12:50 am

Part of the connection is a manmade waterway: the Caledonian Canal. Both recent, and it probably has locks. Not a feasible way for Mesozoic sea monster to move back and forth to the sea.



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02 Jul 2020, 1:43 am

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cyberdad wrote:
Yes my understanding is the Loch is land locked


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"It is connected at the southern end by the River Oich and a section of the Caledonian Canal to Loch Oich. At the northern end there is the Bona Narrows which opens out into Loch Dochfour, which feeds the River Ness and a further section of canal to Inverness, ultimately leading to the North Sea via the Moray Firth. It is one of a series of interconnected, murky bodies of water in Scotland..."


If it's (hypothetically) an extinct dinosaur then its going to be freshwater anyway



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02 Jul 2020, 2:55 am

it looks like a rock.


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02 Jul 2020, 2:59 am

Rocks generally don't move in a serpentine manner in water but I take your point the cam footage isn't earth shattering



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02 Jul 2020, 3:46 am

is there video of this "serpentine" movement?


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02 Jul 2020, 3:47 am

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is there video of this "serpentine" movement?


See above youtube video



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02 Jul 2020, 4:14 am

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/13 ... ss-monster

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Yet another sighting of the Loch Ness monster has supposedly been recorded, with a new image doing the rounds. A photograph supposedly taken at the Scottish lake or loch shows what appears to be a large grey hump moving through the water. Subsequent images reveal the 'monster' is heading away from the camera.


The images were posted to the Facebook group Anomalous Universe by the group's founder Steve Carrington.

According to Loch Ness research blog Loch Ness Mystery, Mr Carrington said: "Took this in Loch Ness last September but I don't know what kind of fish it is".

While fooling many of the group, the Twitterverse was quick to conduct its own investigation.

As it turned out, the Loch Ness monster in this image was a catfish - and had been photoshopped into the photo.



The specific catfish has even been tracked down, which had been captured in the river Po in Italy by anglers Benjamin Gründer, Kai Weber, and Marcus Brock in 2018.

Markings on a catfish's back are unique, much like a fingerprint, so the people of Twitter troweled through famous images of catfish and discovered the one in the picture, which weighed a staggering 286lb when it was captured.

By analysing the back of the beast which is poking out the water, Twitter account @supahflylol discovered the identical markings on the catfish from the 2018 image.

Supahflylol said of the image: "Can't believe we gotta say this, but the loch ness monster picture is fake. Compare these unique patterns here."


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02 Jul 2020, 4:24 am

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1301156/loch-ness-monster-picture-sighting-what-is-loch-ness-monster

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Yet another sighting of the Loch Ness monster has supposedly been recorded, with a new image doing the rounds. A photograph supposedly taken at the Scottish lake or loch shows what appears to be a large grey hump moving through the water. Subsequent images reveal the 'monster' is heading away from the camera.


The images were posted to the Facebook group Anomalous Universe by the group's founder Steve Carrington.

According to Loch Ness research blog Loch Ness Mystery, Mr Carrington said: "Took this in Loch Ness last September but I don't know what kind of fish it is".

While fooling many of the group, the Twitterverse was quick to conduct its own investigation.

As it turned out, the Loch Ness monster in this image was a catfish - and had been photoshopped into the photo.



The specific catfish has even been tracked down, which had been captured in the river Po in Italy by anglers Benjamin Gründer, Kai Weber, and Marcus Brock in 2018.

Markings on a catfish's back are unique, much like a fingerprint, so the people of Twitter troweled through famous images of catfish and discovered the one in the picture, which weighed a staggering 286lb when it was captured.

By analysing the back of the beast which is poking out the water, Twitter account @supahflylol discovered the identical markings on the catfish from the 2018 image.

Supahflylol said of the image: "Can't believe we gotta say this, but the loch ness monster picture is fake. Compare these unique patterns here."


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That is one seriously impressive fish

How about this one

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02 Jul 2020, 7:54 am

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Yes my understanding is the Loch is land locked


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"It is connected at the southern end by the River Oich and a section of the Caledonian Canal to Loch Oich. At the northern end there is the Bona Narrows which opens out into Loch Dochfour, which feeds the River Ness and a further section of canal to Inverness, ultimately leading to the North Sea via the Moray Firth. It is one of a series of interconnected, murky bodies of water in Scotland..."


If it's (hypothetically) an extinct dinosaur then its going to be freshwater anyway


You yourself are claiming that it is a "plesiosaur", which is not a dinosaur. Plesiosaurs were big reptiles contemporary with the dinosaurs, so non scientists lump them under the rubric of "dinosaurs". But not only were they not even closely related to dinosaurs ...they were infact marine animals (like seals and whales of today). Though a freshwater variant might have evolved in some local big lake somewhere.



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02 Jul 2020, 8:04 am

Every self respecting lake on the planet has its own "monster". Nessie is the most famous, and "Champ" (lake Champlain) is the second best known. But folks seem to see these creatures in every lake in both the tropics and in the temperate zone.

Teddy Roosevelt was on a hunting safari circa 1900,in Africa. The natives told him about a legendary big serpentine monster that inhabited one of the big lakes at the source of the Nile in Kenya (like Lake Victoria).

There was a commotion in their lakeside camp when some of the local Africans actually SAW the creature. Roosevelt ran to the shore for a look, and sure enough there in the lake was a series of humps moving through the water in echelon . What looked like a big overturned row boat being followed by several smaller overturned rowboats following behind single file- just like they were part of one enormous sea serpent dozens of feet long.

Roosevelt lowered his hunting rife and shot at one of the humps of the beast. The "hump" froze in the water while the other humps disappeared. He ordered an African guy to paddle a canoe out into the lake to retrieve the "hump".

It turned out that the "hump" was a dead baby otter. And the "monster" was the family of otters - mom leading, being followed by her pups!

So my guess is that that is what 90 percent of lake monster sightings are.

But then...there is that other ten percent! (Twilight zone music). :D



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02 Jul 2020, 8:12 am

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That is one seriously impressive fish

How about this one

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That it is.

And I'm not sure what you're asking. That's a massive beluga sturgeon caught in 1922. As the image title says.


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