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23 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

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Have you try i-tunes or a site called emusic.com to download stuff?

It's not even so much about downloading music, sine most of my music is off of CD's. Linux relies pretty heavily on Internet downloads, and many of those downloads are best down via P2P methods such as Bittorrent.

Why can't you just download from home. If i caught any student using computers for noneducational purposes and just taking up bandwidth I'd suspend their ass. Trust me, I suspended a kid for 5 days for uploading Halo into the school server and playing it on final exam day.

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23 Aug 2008, 4:54 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Why can't you just download from home.

Primarily because my college is 1200 miles from home.

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If i caught any student using computers for noneducational purposes and just taking up bandwidth I'd suspend their ass.

Hm. Well, it is my computer and I do live here. I don't take up all that much bandwidth, anyways.

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23 Aug 2008, 4:59 pm

gamefreak wrote:

How is downloading software which might have direct or indirect educational value (e.g., an OS that ultimately lets its user do school work) 'noneducational'?

I have no idea what the OP is majoring in, but there's a lot that can be learned from or with much of the software on a standard OpenSUSE installation.

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23 Aug 2008, 6:55 pm

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In any case, the campus network isn't restricted to purely "educational" uses. Otherwise, shouldn't gamefreak be telling me off for using network resources to access WP?

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23 Aug 2008, 8:13 pm

Good point, I was about to say that

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24 Aug 2008, 8:08 am

Orwell wrote:

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In any case, the campus network isn't restricted to purely "educational" uses. Otherwise, shouldn't gamefreak be telling me off for using network resources to access WP?

Well it is taking up valuable bandwidth other people need. However have you tried another way of downloading.

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24 Aug 2008, 11:36 am

gamefreak wrote:

Well it is taking up valuable bandwidth other people need. However have you tried another way of downloading.

There are other ways of downloading (OpenSUSE for example is also available via ftp) but there are downsides to those methods. In any case, there is nothing I can do about the matter and I will avoid bittorrents.

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24 Aug 2008, 11:38 am

why not use ftp to download the distro ? Or even a simple download using firefox ? Yeh i know not as fast but it works.

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24 Aug 2008, 11:47 am

gamefreak wrote:

Yeah, You could get Office 2007 and Vista Ultimate for free. It also takes up a lot of bandwith that the students and teachers need. I had to ban Bittorrent from the school I'm at for that purpose.

Or you could have implemented better QoS and throttling. Banning an entire protocol is horrible traffic management and undermines what makes the Internet so great... the fact that it's an open network.

Blocking based on protocol violates net neutrality principles. Comcast is in trouble with the FCC for doing the same thing you did with your network. Would you really want to get thrown in jail because you were too lazy to implement smart traffic management and instead relied on an unethical hack that blocked legitimate network traffic so you wouldn't need to do your job of effectively managing the network?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02077.html

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24 Aug 2008, 12:12 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Well it is taking up valuable bandwidth other people need. However have you tried another way of downloading.

I'm at a crappy school right now (last semester here!) and even then it seems that the network is never slow. Is one torrent download really going to disturb all the people who need access to 23k Word documents?

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24 Aug 2008, 12:43 pm

alex wrote:

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Yeah, You could get Office 2007 and Vista Ultimate for free. It also takes up a lot of bandwith that the students and teachers need. I had to ban Bittorrent from the school I'm at for that purpose.

I banned Limewire and Frostwire. I did not ban Bittorent however due to the fact that I and several other teachers may need it. However I did ban several sites like thepiratebay.org due to the fact that most people go there to pirate software.

I do not agree with what Orwells school is doing.

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24 Aug 2008, 2:09 pm

The other reason they would ban Torrent is security, several firewall Ports have to be opened on the in order to allow Torrent to operate. A college firewall and network walks fine a line between openness and security. The more Ports you open, the less security.

China has a government financed computer hacking department. Indeed, last year several highly sophisticated computer hacking attacks, which originated from China, were aimed at US universities. They wanted military technology.

http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/vnune ... ck-attacks

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=18517 - Intel Brief: Chinese cyberwarfare

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24 Aug 2008, 6:17 pm

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That's very interesting. Maybe they would appreciate American engineers.

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25 Aug 2008, 11:24 am

I know a bittorrent site that won't allow anyone to know what you are downloading. it is called btjunike.org. but you need a bittorrent decoder like azureus-vuze. to download it go to http://azureus-vuze.en.softonic.com/. My sister told me the site after the collage that she ewent to banned some downloading sites and programs.

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