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28 Nov 2008, 6:19 am

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I love the way since Windows 5 you are in no control of what extras are installed or not during the initial install. Seems determined to install to "Windows" considering the %windir% is used alot still...

Customising is the way forward...

True, but you can always use nLite or vLite if your skilled enough (it isn't that hard really if you know what you're doing). But you're right, it would be a lot better if you could choose what stuff you wanted to install straight from the installer.

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28 Nov 2008, 7:03 am

Yeah, I know. I just can't be bothered, and I need some blank CD's at the moment... I got stuff that are CD only ...

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29 Nov 2008, 11:23 am

Ashton wrote:

Keith wrote:

Well, True. However thats because Microsoft is making the Windows install do everything for you. So people can leave the room and do other activities during installation.

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04 Dec 2008, 8:46 am

About customization, You can customize windows in many different ways. You can customize appearence, performence, certain features & so-on. Like in Windows XP you can turn the Start Button on the Start Menu to say just about anything just by using registry editor. If you know even a little about Visual Basic [There is a wealth of tutorials online.] and how to use registry editor you can do anything in windows.

Even in mainstream versions of linux like Red Hat & Ubuntu you have to know how to edit & make scripts to customize it. So the level of customization are not far apart

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04 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

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in Windows XP you can turn the Start Button on the Start Menu to say just about anything just by using registry editor.

Which registory would I edit?

I do actually like the fact that its so easy to customise Windows, I got Aero on Vista Home Basic!

Although in OS X you can change the text in menus just as easily, and theme it etc.

I think we can all agree that open-source OSes like Linux are the best for customisation, though.

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04 Dec 2008, 6:00 pm

Oh if Ubuntu & other distros make the move to consumers via computers from companies like HP & Dell. Which is likely considering the fact that both companies are cutting costs to make more price competive computer systams. Well, Lets just say that Linux users will @ that time have to start fearing about viruses & spyware. Especially

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04 Dec 2008, 6:11 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Not for a while, though. Apple has a pretty decent market share and still doesn't have too many virus troubles, so Linux has plenty of room for expansion before "security through obscurity" runs out.

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04 Dec 2008, 8:09 pm

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To some degree, yes, but the method of securing ports is a lot cleaner and safer. You can do some interesting stuff, like disallowing execution of files in partitions. In that case, you could just do a quick reinstall of the main OS if the virus was bad enough.

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04 Dec 2008, 9:42 pm

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Or you could be glad that most Linux distros (including Ubuntu) do not default to giving the primary user unprotected administrative privileges. That at least slows malware down.

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05 Dec 2008, 5:33 am

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Or you could be glad that most Linux distros (including Ubuntu) do not default to giving the primary user unprotected administrative privileges. That at least slows malware down.

Or you could be glad that Linux started off with tried and trusted security in the underlying code, as opposed to the Microsoft offerings, which have poorly designed "security" tacked on afterwards.

Or that open source is always going to be far more secure, as the code is subject to independent peer review, continuously. When a Microsoft employee does some "Friday afternoon" coding, which happens to open up a huge vulnerability, that will just fester in the code base, until a virus writer exploits it. Then it can be any amount of time before anything gets done about it (if MS even admits the flaw exists).

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05 Dec 2008, 1:22 pm

Unix is very secure. Its very hard to make viruses.

Think of this: there are millions of computers almost all without any virus protection so if a virus maker wanted to make a OS X virus there would be many people who would have it on their computers but they havent coz they CANT.

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05 Dec 2008, 6:43 pm

Orwell wrote:

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Or you could be glad that most Linux distros (including Ubuntu) do not default to giving the primary user unprotected administrative privileges. That at least slows malware down.

Windows Vista has that also. By default in Vista you are a standard user with limited administrator privileges. What do you think UAC [User Access Control] is all about.

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05 Dec 2008, 7:20 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Fuzzy wrote:

Or you could be glad that most Linux distros (including Ubuntu) do not default to giving the primary user unprotected administrative privileges. That at least slows malware down.

Windows Vista has that also. By default in Vista you are a standard user with limited administrator privileges. What do you think UAC [User Access Control] is all about.

Thats interesting.

Can you also encrypt the partition so that boot disks cannot circumvent security, or disallow the use of exe files in certain areas?

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05 Dec 2008, 7:23 pm

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Windows Vista has that also. By default in Vista you are a standard user with limited administrator privileges. What do you think UAC [User Access Control] is all about.

I'm sorry, but for anything else Vista could possibly have going for it, UAC sucks ass. XP is decent as long as you're prudent enough to set up some basic security. Vista's UAC is just really, really obnoxious, and still does not attain the same security as in OS X or Ubuntu.

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05 Dec 2008, 7:36 pm

gamefreak wrote:

So, uh. What about changing the visuals in a few keystrokes to a preference without having to alter a registry? The ways to edit the "Start" different from 9x to XP. I just can't be bothered. The UAC with Vista is annoying, how DUMB can it be if the files that are safe to use have to ask for permission to allow, I just get pissed to the point I finally find where it is and disable.

So, your avatar displays Windows XP Professional? Why not Vista? Why not Windows XP x64 or Windows XP x64 Professional?

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05 Dec 2008, 8:02 pm

gamefreak wrote:

Um... no. I've customized my Ubuntu plenty with just graphical means. Windows can also customize somewhat, but not to the same extent. OS X "Aqua" interface gives very few options (ooh, I can have the dock on the side if I want, or I can make it auto-hide :roll:

) but if you're up to the challenge it is possible to install GNOME, KDE, or any other system for managing the X Windows environment on OS X, which then gives you all the customizability options of those environments.

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