Awesome video on the eventual victory of Linux

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See, being a recent "convert" to Linux, I disagree on this point. It may have been true in the past, but it isn't now. As you mentioned, *buntu is extremely easy, and there are even Ubuntu derivatives like Linux Mint (and a few others, Medibuntu springs to mind) that are even easier than Ubuntu. Straight-up Debian would be cake if not for the fact that they're FSF zealots and don't want to include Flash. There are plenty of other distros that work very easily- OpenSUSE, Vector Linux (which includes all the proprietary plugins out of the box), Sabayon (also packages proprietary stuff), Fedora, and several others. Now, there are (and will always be) things like Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo aimed towards the hard-core nerd, but that doesn't mean anyone can't use an easier distro. And even for the "harder" distros, the challenge is always in installing the system. Once you have everything set up, it usually runs just like any other OS. If Linux were widely available as a pre-installed OS, I don't think people would regard it as harder to use than Windows.


Apple has other problems in front of it, like trying to break into a market that's already dominated by someone else, perceptions that their products are overpriced, and certain monopolistic tactics on the part of MS. Plus, Windows has all the games. Even so, Apple has their niche and an extremely loyal base of Apple fanboys who will always keep the company afloat.

What's wrong with not including flash in Debian? That doesn't make them zealots because they don't add propriety or closed source software on their systems. I don't know why you would complain about Debian not including flash into their system. You can always install it yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with them not including proprietary stuff by default. I can tend towards free software-zealotry myself at times, and I'm trying to get Gnash to run properly so I don't have to use the closed-source stuff. I was only pointing out that Flash support is the main hurdle to Debian being extremely end-user-friendly- all the other distros I mentioned are pretty much out-of-the-box unless there is hardware incompatibility. But you have to admit, Debian is pretty strict. I mean, Iceweasel? What's up with that?

This is my first post here - just mentioning

This vid is relivant, but the problem is:

-People (including myself) Use linux out of Neciesity
-Linux has no commercial developers
-Linux (apparantly) Will never be sold as commercial softwere

becuase of these factors (maby less due to the last one) linux holds a tiny amount of market share

consiquently

when i tried it on a real machene (Virtual machenes dont really count in the real world if you will)
-it lacked drivers for everything
-no 64 bit versions recognised my CPU (Yes it is a 64 bit CPU)

and

the one time i tried to install something it failed

the only thing it really has going for it - is the fact its make one hell of a serving platform

from my painstaking tests with MySQL i can tell you that:

1.5gb of ram with linux = about 4 gb of ram with windows xp pro

in terms of prefromance,

Alec

some do, assuredly.

Not true. There are several commerical distributions. Mandriva has one, for instance.

Again, untrue. Novell for instance sells an enterprise version of SUSE http://www.novell.com/promo/linux.html? ... agodSnPrRA


We all run it on real machines.



What version of linux did you try? My Ubuntu 64 bit worked right off the disk. Same with my brothers quad core.



Yeah, the kernel makes excellent use of ram and CPU.

How long ago did you try, and what type did you try?

Well if Popular Web Portals like Yahoo & Google endorse Linux by making a version bundled with Google and Yahoo software who knows. Yahoo has already get a lot of people to install their version of IE 8 with all the toolbar stuff. Google has also bundled Google Apps with certain Linux distros and has provided OpenOffice from their web servers.

If quantum computation becomes practical the operating systems will look nothing like we have now.

All of our operating systems are predicating on the von Neuman model with very limited parallel computational capability.

ruveyn

I think the question should be, what's up with mozilla? I believe there was an issue over firefox artwork's trademark and some changes to firefox that Debian wanted to make.

Personally I don't know why people use Firefox or Iceweasel. They seem bloated to me.

sorry i actually had a typo there (i was stressed at the time sorry) I use windows out of nesecity (not vista, i am not that bad) but XP

Erm, I tried a knopix version, and Ubuntu, some time last year, they were outdated distrobutions back then

this touches up on another blow to linux - theres a new version somewhere every day

and i belive to get rid of the old version you have to format


Alec

Firefox is IMO the best browser, as its powerful, its really quite hard to crash, and its well known. the only over faster browser out there is google chrome, which people only know about because its google that advertises it.

I personally dont trust it to be a private browser in that case - we all know what google are like

IE (internet explorer) is just a peice of tat that comes with windows, THAT IS CLUNKY - BLOATED - CRAP and an array of other technical terms that can describe truly rubish in function and design programs

Debian, is more aimed at servers, you really want Ubuntu (Deiban + other stuff) for a desktop, Debian is like less cluttered in a way then unbuntu, hence faster - better for servers

Hey, the Debian team is still producing great software, and I use Debian on an older machine. I don't really have any beef with them.

People use FF because it's the best browser out there. Show me anything less "bloated" that still has the features I want.

I'm a supporter of linux and open source. It's more likely open source will dominate, the question is when. Since Ubuntu mania started in 2005 the number of linux users have skyrocketed, now linux is quite a normal term between blogs, news, normal conversations. You see it everywhere, from small devices, to your friends desktop, to military aircrafts.

I'm currentl running archlinux with kde 4.2

Its Opensourcenessness is what has got it to where it is, it even works on embeded systems! and has some of the mircrosoft team working on it (lol) Unoffically ofc

There is a new version of something all the time, but there isn't a new version of any single distro at any given moment. Debian usually puts out a new stable version every 12 months or a bit more, Ubuntu tries to put something out every 6 months, sometimes works out to about 8-10. Some distros don't have a separate release, they just update software continuously.


You don't have to reformat to install linux. You can also set up a partitioning scheme so that your files are on one partition, and the OS is on another. They even have ways that you can install linux on a windows partition, without creating a linux partition at all.

When updgrading linux, at least when i looked into it, you had to format its partition

I just realized linux could be my "obsession".