Why Apple computers are so damn expensive
It seems to be really an issue of mathematical semantic
800 Dollar Windows Laptop - Degrade period - 3 years. (most Corps replace on the 2 year marker, but really 3 years is the consideration).
1200 dollar Mac Laptop - Degrade period 5 years (Possibly more, but on average 5 years is considerable).
Option A) Over a 15 year period, with no maintenance costs, the Windows path costs 4000 dollars.
Option B) Over a 15 year period, with no maintenance costs, the Mac path costs 3600 dollars.
Option A assumes you will never have to do any work on your windows systems (or its replacements). Option B assumes the same case.
On average, laptop/desktop repairs range from 100 dollars (75 dollar diag, and 25 dollar minor repair), to 500 dollars (MainBoard replacement). So up the middle we will assume 250 dollars for the life of the system, 3 years.
On average, the mac repairs can range from 100 dollars to 500 dollars as well, so we will assume 250 on average for it too.
Option A1). Over a 15 year period, with 2 maintenance events and no warranty, You assume 4500 dollars in cost.
Option B1). Over a 15 year period, with 2 maintenance events and no warranty, You assume 4100 dollars in cost.
Apple choice is cheaper in the long haul, and always will be. Windows choice is cheaper in the short term.
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An Old NetSec Engineer. Diag 11/29.
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You are indeed correct sir.
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An Old NetSec Engineer. Diag 11/29.
A1: AS 299.80 A2: SPD features 301.20
GAF: 50 - 60 range.
PMs are fine, but my answers are probably going to be weird.
800 Dollar Windows Laptop - Degrade period - 3 years. (most Corps replace on the 2 year marker, but really 3 years is the consideration).
1200 dollar Mac Laptop - Degrade period 5 years (Possibly more, but on average 5 years is considerable).
3 years for a PC sounds reasonable, but not without maintenance.
5 years for a Mac is overly conservative. Most Macs will last far longer than that, often with no maintenance at all. Most Mac users trade up, not because their computer is failing, but simply because they just want the newest version.
A five year old Mac will sell for far more than a 3 year old PC. If you've managed to keep a PC running for five years, you'd be lucky to give it away.
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800 Dollar Windows Laptop - Degrade period - 3 years. (most Corps replace on the 2 year marker, but really 3 years is the consideration).
1200 dollar Mac Laptop - Degrade period 5 years (Possibly more, but on average 5 years is considerable).
3 years for a PC sounds reasonable, but not without maintenance.
5 years for a Mac is overly conservative. Most Macs will last far longer than that, often with no maintenance at all. Most Mac users trade up, not because their computer is failing, but simply because they just want the newest version.
A five year old Mac will sell for far more than a 3 year old PC. If you've managed to keep a PC running for five years, you'd be lucky to give it away.
My attempt was not to be disengenuous, but playing a conservative edge. My Macs tend to last 5 years ish (but then Im very hard on my gear to be sure, so I guess Im the litmus for heavy usage vs casual usage).

I concur that a casual users mac will last infinitely longer than one I use.
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An Old NetSec Engineer. Diag 11/29.
A1: AS 299.80 A2: SPD features 301.20
GAF: 50 - 60 range.
PMs are fine, but my answers are probably going to be weird.

I concur that a casual users mac will last infinitely longer than one I use.
I live for the Mac/PC debate the way Red Sox and Yankee fans live to jibe each other.

On a more practical note, PC's are generally more cost effective for the average Facebook, email, calendar, forum user. They aren't going to tax their machines the way power users would. What irks me are power PC users that have spent all of a couple of hours on a Mac looking for the alt key and right click button on the mouse, complain they can't find the registry editor, and then rail on Macs as inferior machines.

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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
Four of the Windows computers are bricks. Only one still works. Every single Windows computer degraded seriously within two years. I've got only one left. and the only reason it's still running is because I hardly ever use it.
In my opinion, anyone who uses Windows should reinstall the operating system at least yearly. When I used Windows much years ago, I reinstalled at least every six months. On one occasion, I had a computer with Windows become completely useless within one day of a new install when I installed a Microsoft produced program on the computer.
Currently I have a windows computer in the office, but it is used mainly for one specific task for which the software is only available for either Windows or on a Sun Computer running an ancient version of Solaris. Since I don't use it much, I only have to reinstall on it every two years or so.
^^ Good practice. Or you could just be like me, and wait until you're forced to do it.
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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
Four of the Windows computers are bricks. Only one still works. Every single Windows computer degraded seriously within two years. I've got only one left. and the only reason it's still running is because I hardly ever use it.
In my opinion, anyone who uses Windows should reinstall the operating system at least yearly. When I used Windows much years ago, I reinstalled at least every six months. On one occasion, I had a computer with Windows become completely useless within one day of a new install when I installed a Microsoft produced program on the computer.
Currently I have a windows computer in the office, but it is used mainly for one specific task for which the software is only available for either Windows or on a Sun Computer running an ancient version of Solaris. Since I don't use it much, I only have to reinstall on it every two years or so.
Has Microsoft developed a tech yet for like "reverting to last know good config", then you could just store all your crap out on the cloud and hit that LKGC button every morning when you wake up to start computing. And never have a problem.
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An Old NetSec Engineer. Diag 11/29.
A1: AS 299.80 A2: SPD features 301.20
GAF: 50 - 60 range.
PMs are fine, but my answers are probably going to be weird.
Four of the Windows computers are bricks. Only one still works. Every single Windows computer degraded seriously within two years. I've got only one left. and the only reason it's still running is because I hardly ever use it.
In my opinion, anyone who uses Windows should reinstall the operating system at least yearly. When I used Windows much years ago, I reinstalled at least every six months. On one occasion, I had a computer with Windows become completely useless within one day of a new install when I installed a Microsoft produced program on the computer.
Currently I have a windows computer in the office, but it is used mainly for one specific task for which the software is only available for either Windows or on a Sun Computer running an ancient version of Solaris. Since I don't use it much, I only have to reinstall on it every two years or so.
Has Microsoft developed a tech yet for like "reverting to last know good config", then you could just store all your crap out on the cloud and hit that LKGC button every morning when you wake up to start computing. And never have a problem.
I'm under the impression that it just restores your registry settings and maybe some other settings. It does not revert your installed software to the previous point in time. If something in the software or libraries has become corrupted, then you are out of luck. Or if a virus or other malware infects files on your computer, it does no good at all. If your problem is that some setting in the registry was inadvertently changed to something that causes problems, then it works fine.
In helping friends and customers with their computer problems, I've seen many occasions were reverting to the last known good configuration failed to fix the problems they were having. I'm not sure that it even helped in the majority of cases.
In helping friends and customers with their computer problems, I've seen many occasions were reverting to the last known good configuration failed to fix the problems they were having. I'm not sure that it even helped in the majority of cases.
Well with the off hand vulnerability state that Windows Defender presents, I would think much would be at issue. A rollback medium would be necessary. Doing a factory recovery would get really annoying over time, if you had to do it enough.
Thats why the whole Time Machine thing for OSX is actually kind of cool. Bare Metal Recovery is the way to go if you can do it.
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An Old NetSec Engineer. Diag 11/29.
A1: AS 299.80 A2: SPD features 301.20
GAF: 50 - 60 range.
PMs are fine, but my answers are probably going to be weird.
Four of the Windows computers are bricks. Only one still works. Every single Windows computer degraded seriously within two years. I've got only one left. and the only reason it's still running is because I hardly ever use it.
The Macs are both still running like new five years later.
Why did I pay a higher price for the Macs? Simple. It's called cost effective spending. These Macs will still be running fine five years from now.
Windows requires far more maintenance to keep running well. Windows machines off the shelf never come with enough hardware for significant program installation and upgrades. Macs do.
For me, it has nothing to do with computer snobbery, or prejudice. It's all about productivity. I never have to maintain my Macs.
Oh, sorry, yes I do once in a while. I have Windows installed on both with Bootcamp, and those occasionally have to be reinstalled due to corruptions.
The Mac OS's? Haven't touched them once. They update and take care of themselves, leaving me free to get stuff done. THAT is why they are worth the money.
Why don't you perform maint. on the Windoze computers? It's quite easy don't you find?

I'm running a $300 or so eMachines desktop computer my mom bought in like 2007. 2ghz single core Celeron, 200gig HD, 1 gig DDR2 RAM. So it's 5 years old and running fine. Only thing that broke was the CRT monitor got a power surge or something during a lightning storm. No hardware issues at all. I'm running Linux now, and am fairly happy with Linux except for the poor performance of it's wireless network programs and my wireless card. I'm probably gonna get a bigger HD and dual boot Windows XP, though.
I don't like spending money on stuff.
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There are deals to be had, notably in their awesome Refurb section of their own Apple store site. 20-30% off and in 99% perfect condition. Full year warranty until HP's 90-day crap.
There's a nice i7 mini for $750US right now... that's more machine than most people need. I've seen them go for as little as $500.
What can I say... not being wealthy has taught me to find where the deals are.