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When did the Anthropogenic Epoch begin?
When humans first learned to control fire and burn fossil fuels. 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
When humans first caused an extinction of a major species. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
When humans first developed agriculture and formed communities. 28%  28%  [ 5 ]
At precisely 09:00, Oct 3, 4004 BC. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
At the founding of the Roman Empire. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
At the fall of the Roman Empire. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
When gunpowder was invented. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
During the Renaissance. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
July 4, 1776 AD. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
During the first Industrial Revolution. 17%  17%  [ 3 ]
With the first use of commercial electrical power. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
When the first nuclear bomb was detonated. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
When Niel Armstrong took the first human steps on the Moon. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Never / Not yet. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Other: ________________ (Please explain). 28%  28%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 18

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13 Apr 2015, 6:57 pm

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Trinity was the code name of the first detonation of a nuclear weapon, conducted by the United States Army as part of the Manhattan Project at the White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico.


By the way, the Trinity Site is open twice a year for the general public to visit. The last was, I think, the Saturday before last. The next should be sometime in the fall.



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14 Apr 2015, 11:12 am

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That could happen if everyone got together.

There are an estimated 16,300 warheads in the world and about 57,505,693 square miles of land. Thus, approximately one warhead per 3,527 square miles of land area. I don't know whether that number includes tactical nuclear weapons -- if it does, then many of those would have far smaller areas of destruction.

In the unlikely event that all 16,300 warheads were used and were spread out to evenly coved all the landmasses of the Earth in the most efficient manner possible without overlapping each other, that would put a nuclear warhead on a grid about every 60 miles. While that would certainly cause enormous problems, I don't believe that would kill everyone on Earth.

And in a real attack, the warheads would not be targeted in such a manner. There would be many areas in the world that would be relatively unscathed. Also, not all nuclear bombs would be likely to be used and of those that were used, some would be destroyed before reaching their targets.

Furthermore, (from memory from my Air Science classes) the Rand Corporation was commissioned in the 1960s to study US vs Soviet targeting. At the time, the Soviets concentrated on military targets while the US concentrated on population centers. It was determined that in spite of our overwhelming superiority in nuclear weapons at that tie, we would lose because the Soviets would destroy our military capabilities while retaining theirs. Since then, we have supposedly changed our targeting to go for military targets rather than population centers.

So while it may be possible for a nuclear war to wipe out all human life on Earth, I seriously doubt that it is likely.


Nuclear WINTER would causes starvation even in areas not directly targeted by N devices.
Generations of extreme rates of cancer and birth defects ought also to be considered.



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14 Apr 2015, 11:26 am

Invention of gunpowder

Coz it changed the natural balance and placed us at the top of the food chain.



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14 Apr 2015, 12:04 pm

slave wrote:
eric76 wrote:
That could happen if everyone got together.

There are an estimated 16,300 warheads in the world and about 57,505,693 square miles of land. Thus, approximately one warhead per 3,527 square miles of land area. I don't know whether that number includes tactical nuclear weapons -- if it does, then many of those would have far smaller areas of destruction.

In the unlikely event that all 16,300 warheads were used and were spread out to evenly coved all the landmasses of the Earth in the most efficient manner possible without overlapping each other, that would put a nuclear warhead on a grid about every 60 miles. While that would certainly cause enormous problems, I don't believe that would kill everyone on Earth.

And in a real attack, the warheads would not be targeted in such a manner. There would be many areas in the world that would be relatively unscathed. Also, not all nuclear bombs would be likely to be used and of those that were used, some would be destroyed before reaching their targets.

Furthermore, (from memory from my Air Science classes) the Rand Corporation was commissioned in the 1960s to study US vs Soviet targeting. At the time, the Soviets concentrated on military targets while the US concentrated on population centers. It was determined that in spite of our overwhelming superiority in nuclear weapons at that tie, we would lose because the Soviets would destroy our military capabilities while retaining theirs. Since then, we have supposedly changed our targeting to go for military targets rather than population centers.

So while it may be possible for a nuclear war to wipe out all human life on Earth, I seriously doubt that it is likely.


Nuclear WINTER would causes starvation even in areas not directly targeted by N devices.
Generations of extreme rates of cancer and birth defects ought also to be considered.


It is debatable how much nuclear winter we would actually see. It would cause severe hardship, but even at its worse, it woudn't be enough to wipe out mankind.

As for "extreme rates of cancer and birth defects", that would depend on your definition of "extreme". They would go up as you got nearer areas destroyed in a nuclear war, but nowhere near enough to threaten the existence of mankind.



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14 Apr 2015, 12:49 pm

eric76 wrote:
slave wrote:
eric76 wrote:
That could happen if everyone got together.

There are an estimated 16,300 warheads in the world and about 57,505,693 square miles of land. Thus, approximately one warhead per 3,527 square miles of land area. I don't know whether that number includes tactical nuclear weapons -- if it does, then many of those would have far smaller areas of destruction.

In the unlikely event that all 16,300 warheads were used and were spread out to evenly coved all the landmasses of the Earth in the most efficient manner possible without overlapping each other, that would put a nuclear warhead on a grid about every 60 miles. While that would certainly cause enormous problems, I don't believe that would kill everyone on Earth.

And in a real attack, the warheads would not be targeted in such a manner. There would be many areas in the world that would be relatively unscathed. Also, not all nuclear bombs would be likely to be used and of those that were used, some would be destroyed before reaching their targets.

Furthermore, (from memory from my Air Science classes) the Rand Corporation was commissioned in the 1960s to study US vs Soviet targeting. At the time, the Soviets concentrated on military targets while the US concentrated on population centers. It was determined that in spite of our overwhelming superiority in nuclear weapons at that tie, we would lose because the Soviets would destroy our military capabilities while retaining theirs. Since then, we have supposedly changed our targeting to go for military targets rather than population centers.

So while it may be possible for a nuclear war to wipe out all human life on Earth, I seriously doubt that it is likely.


Nuclear WINTER would causes starvation even in areas not directly targeted by N devices.
Generations of extreme rates of cancer and birth defects ought also to be considered.


It is debatable how much nuclear winter we would actually see. It would cause severe hardship, but even at its worse, it woudn't be enough to wipe out mankind.

As for "extreme rates of cancer and birth defects", that would depend on your definition of "extreme". They would go up as you got nearer areas destroyed in a nuclear war, but nowhere near enough to threaten the existence of mankind.


Yeah, I'm not saying it would be an extinction scenario, only that these are factors which would affect death toll.



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15 Apr 2015, 8:34 am

The proponents of the idea of an anthropogenic epoch have a political agenda, as do some opponents of the concept.

However, whether we need to label an era with that label or not, we do live in an age when mankind influences the planet. And that age did have a starting point. We shifted from being just one more species of large mammal, to becoming a geologic force. And that transition occurred when agriculture and domestication were invented in the first few thousand years after the end of the Ice Age in the Neolithic.

Before that there were only a few million humans, living as hunter-gatherers, on the whole planet.

Agriculture not only caused us to exploit and alter the land more intensely than before but also caused our population size to skyrocket to the tens of millions, and beyond.