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04 Aug 2015, 4:40 pm

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Just be aware that Windows 10 will send virtually all your data to Microsoft (and who knows who else)...


Might want to take a look at this-


I know you can change privacy settings. But it's a bit of a minefield, isn't it? You can't be sure what exactly is being sent even after you've changed all the settings you can find. You also can't be sure they won't change the behaviour in a later update, like Facebook does all the time.

Finally, changing privacy settings doesn't alter the legal agreement between you and MS. While you've told the software to not collect some data (or at least you hope you did, but who knows...), you've still legally agreed to let it collect the data.

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Just be aware that Windows 10 will send virtually all your data to Microsoft (and who knows who else). Check out https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-p ... ta-abused/ and https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30 ... -defaults/

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By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”.


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We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary


Of course, you are always trusting your OS vendor with your data - that's unavoidable. But now they're basically saying "we will take all your data and do whatever we want with it"!


If you read that in context in the EULA, I think you'll find that the language describes cloud services through OneDrive. Windows 10 doesn't give MS infinite license to reach into your hard drive and rummage around when you are not using their network services.


It pretty much does. I'm not saying they would do that, but it wouldn't be against the licence agreement if they did. Here it is, from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy ... fault.aspx (emphasis mine):

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We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any service you have requested or authorized. For example, we share your content with third parties when you tell us to do so, such as when you send an email to a friend, share photos and documents on OneDrive, or link accounts with another service. When you provide payment data to make a purchase, we will share payment data with banks and other entities that process payment transactions or provide other financial services, and for fraud prevention and credit risk reduction.

In addition, we share personal data among Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries. We also share personal data with vendors or agents working on our behalf for the purposes described in this statement. For example, companies we've hired to provide customer service support or assist in protecting and securing our systems and services may need access to personal data in order to provide those functions. In such cases, these companies must abide by our data privacy and security requirements and are not allowed to use personal data they receive from us for any other purpose. We may also disclose personal data as part of a corporate transaction such as a merger or sale of assets.


OneDrive is just an example here and - while I'm not a lawyer - I don't think it can be interpreted as applying only to OneDrive. The wording is very broad. How do I know what they consider necessary to provide any service I authorised? What services have I authorised, anyway? Anything contained in the 12,000 word privacy agreement, presumably!

To be fair, a lot of data sharing probably is necessary for some online services. The problem is that they're now so tightly integrated into the OS that you'd have to actively avoid and work around them.


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06 Aug 2015, 2:01 pm

Windows 10 is Microsoft's way of apologizing for that abortion they tried to push on us called Windows 8. I've installed it on my laptop and I like it so far.


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19 Aug 2015, 9:52 pm

I wouldn't upgrade at this point unless you're feeling adventurous. I like using computers and tinkering, so for me it's an obvious choice to upgrade, not to mention fun, but to someone for whom running into any kind of problem is unacceptable, stay away for the time being until most of the issues, bugs, and drivers are worked out and updated. I have a fairly new Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga which was Windows 10 ready on release day, but I still had significant issues upgrading. I ended up getting an error that literally read "something happened" and provided no details as to what was wrong whatsoever. The only thing that got the upgrade to work was doing a clean installation of 8.1 and upgrading right away before installing any updates/applications, and that was after spending quite some time trying everything I could think of before doing that. It's not difficult as far as I know to revert to whatever version of Windows you had prior, but upgrading an OS is something that you should expect problems. It's nice when things work without any issues, but never expect things to just work.

Windows 10 is most certainly worth it in my opinion, but then again, I love computers and have a laptop that converts into a tablet, so I really wanted to take advantage of the new release. If you're going to upgrade, just go in with an open mind. There's nothing wrong with sticking and liking what you're used to, at all, but there's definitely something to be said for having an open mind, willing to learn new ways of doing things.

Please back up all your data though! Even if you aren't upgrading (and especially if you are), it's essential to have backups of your data. It's not a smart idea to have important files in only one location. Your hard drive could fail one day, it could accidentally get deleted, your house could burn down, etc. Better to be safe than sorry. :)



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20 Aug 2015, 2:25 am

I already did upgrade. And yes I have everything backed up anyway. It took less than an hour and, other than Cortana apparently not being available in my region (which I think is a lie, but whatever), I've had absolutely no problems whatsoever.



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20 Aug 2015, 2:54 pm

FMX wrote:
To be fair, a lot of data sharing probably is necessary for some online services.

That is certainly the case. Look at similar EULAs for Google Doce, GMAIL, and other such services.

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The problem is that they're now so tightly integrated into the OS that you'd have to actively avoid and work around them.

Problem or feature? You just can't save people's files on your server and make them available without accessing them and copying them--that's what storing files consists of. The other stuff people are worried about is Microsoft saying "if the government compels us to give up your data, we will" no surprise there.