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03 Sep 2011, 6:02 am

androbot2084 wrote:

If an infinite universe can be imagined then it exists.

I will remember that next time i do the lottery...

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03 Sep 2011, 6:40 am

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A quantum telescope can see into infinite distances.

What is a "quantum telescope"?

And from why premise do you conclude there are infinite distances?

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03 Sep 2011, 8:13 am

The border of the universe is a huge mirror.

no, really

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03 Sep 2011, 9:58 am

ruveyn wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

A quantum telescope can see into infinite distances.

What is a "quantum telescope"?

And from why premise do you conclude there are infinite distances?

ruveyn

They are a theoretical myth using quantum tunneling.

Quantum tunneling is very real though. Every time you smell you use quantum tunneling and if plants didn't use quantum tunneling for photosynthesis they would loose about 90% of the energy they receive from the sun.

http://www.physorg.com/news89542035.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... omputation

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03 Sep 2011, 12:07 pm

The universe doesn't have a physical border. However motion may become impossible at some point.

The universe is probably infinite and has always existed in some form or another. Religions like pantheism and while not a religion, multiverse theory, believe in a infinite universe.

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03 Sep 2011, 4:43 pm

rasol wrote:

religious views are irrelevant for a scientific issue or question. As to motion being impossible, how and where? Where can motion be impossible except, perhaps, in the interior of a black hole.

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03 Sep 2011, 4:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:

rasol wrote:

None of these things exist as we perceive them. Conciousness is the absolute core of all things, and has crystallized into this form with the apparent purpose of perceiving itself. As such, there is no god, EVERYthing is god, meaning doesn't exist, and everything is all-important. We and all other sentient beings are the crown of creation, and our thoughts are the thoughts of god. Morality doesn't exist, god is not self-aware, and it is our duty as the crown of creation, to do whatever the hell we want in the hopes of perceiving some new facet of the infinitely complex fractal madness of reality.

Or, you know. Something like that. I am an ant within an ant within an ant. Break open the matryoshka doll, and the smallest piece is the outer layer looping back in on itself.

We humans will never understand.

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03 Sep 2011, 5:12 pm

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Or, you know. Something like that. I am an ant within an ant within an ant. Break open the matryoshka doll, and the smallest piece is the outer layer looping back in on itself.

We humans will never understand.

Utter and complete nonsense.

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03 Sep 2011, 5:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:

AtticusKane wrote:

Utter and complete nonsense.

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Well that's like 90% of the point right there.

It's all very zen. You understand.

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03 Sep 2011, 5:41 pm

I really don't understand some people?

There is no argument to to be had on gods reality. I don't believe in him/a god but apparently he/the being(?) lives on another plane of existence of which we have to die to be in. So no one alive can disprove it...

Back on topic

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03 Sep 2011, 5:43 pm

ruveyn wrote:

AtticusKane wrote:

Utter and complete nonsense.

ruveyn

+1

Thats just complete jibberish lol.

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03 Sep 2011, 6:22 pm

Tom_Kakes wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

AtticusKane wrote:

Utter and complete nonsense.

ruveyn

+1

Thats just complete jibberish lol.

Well that's just because I'd rather not dominate this thread with an essay about absurd pseudo-spiritual zen psychobabble

Point is: the universe as we can see it through our meager senses and technology, is a complete illusion; and if you hadn't noticed, everything all of us have said here is incomprehensible gibberish, based on faulty science, and the notion that we can ever explain any of this in human scientific terms is madness.

Anyway tho. Someone get this crap back on-topic. WHO WANTS TO EXPLAIN QUANTUM MECHANICS TO US?

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03 Sep 2011, 7:31 pm

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Well that's just because I'd rather not dominate this thread with an essay about absurd pseudo-spiritual zen psychobabble

That faulty science made your computer possible.

And understanding quantum mechanics requires some rather heavy mathematics.

There are no "back of the envelope" short descriptions.

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03 Sep 2011, 8:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:

AtticusKane wrote:

Well that's just because I'd rather not dominate this thread with an essay about absurd pseudo-spiritual zen psychobabble

That faulty science made your computer possible.

And understanding quantum mechanics requires some rather heavy mathematics.

There are no "back of the envelope" short descriptions.

ruveyn

Hmm.. making use of the effects of quantum mechanics requires advanced mathematics. I'm not convinced any human actually understands it. While a lot of the math has been tested and proven, I haven't come across a proposed explanation that completely satisfies me.

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03 Sep 2011, 8:44 pm

Obres wrote:

Yes, exactly. Nobody understands it. Nobody really gets the how of it.

But the implications of it are incredible. All it does, ultimately, is point to a picture of the universe, of reality, as illusion - it reaffirms, in the age of reason, information, advanced mathematics and science, the old mystic assertion that we are all one, and that what we perceive here is but a single face of a vast, multidimensional fractal mathematical pattern.

So... The border of the universe? What can possibly be said of the border of the universe? There are no borders. Reality is a jumbled construct of pure consciousness, crystalized into an ever-changing kaleidoscopic spiral fractal of incomprehensible magnitude and depth. Is it any wonder that any attempt at illustrating the incomprehensible would be incomprehensible as well?

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03 Sep 2011, 10:26 pm

AtticusKane wrote:

Obres wrote:

Uh, no. You have it completely backwards. We get the how of it. We can mathematically model many quantum effects, so we know how they work. It's the implications that we're guessing at. And the implications you're putting forth really have nothing to do with physics at all.

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