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lau
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15 Jan 2012, 7:16 pm

As an "aside", ruveyn, I would suggest that "1/2" is the best definition of the value of "0^0", as it is halfway between the two values to most easily "prove correct".

Alternatively, one could define "0^0" to be "15+sqrt(2)*i", as the limit of some suitably grotesque functions "f(x)/g(x)".



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19 Jan 2012, 4:14 pm

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No. The proof was given by you to show that 0^0 = 0/0 and therefore entails a contradiction and therefore must be undefined. If 0^0 = 0/0 it must be so for another reason because your proof is fallacious: it takes the base (0) and multiplies it by 0/0 ((0^+1) * (0^-1)) to prove that the original term is 0/0. By that method we can prove that everything is 0, 1, or undefined.


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20 Jan 2012, 5:59 pm

I think the problem is there's no notational distinction between the discrete definition of x^n when n is only allowed to be an integer and the case of a real valued exponents x^p.

In the case of real exponents x^p is usually defined as exp(log(x) * p). Because log(0) is undefined, the real power operation x^p should really be undefined when x is zero. However, since lim(x->0) x^p = 0 for all positive p, it's a convenient shorthand to define 0^p as 0 for positive p, making x^p continuous w.r.t. x on the interval 0 <= x < infinity.

I'd take x^n with n being strictly an integer as a totally separate operation. In combinatorics it makes a lot of sense to define x^n as...

1 when n is zero
x * x * ... * x (n terms) when n is positive
1 / (x * x * ... * x) (-n terms) when x is nonzero and n is negative

So my opinion is that when dealing with discrete integer exponents, it's perfectly sensible to define 0^0 as 1. When dealing with real valued exponents 0^0 should be considered undefined. I just consider x^n and x^p as different operations using the same exponent notation because they are identical on a restricted subset.



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20 Jan 2012, 8:16 pm

marshall wrote:
1 when n is zero
x * x * ... * x (n terms) when n is positive
1 / (x * x * ... * x) (n terms) when x is nonzero and n is negative

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For n > 0, 0^(-n) is not defined.

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20 Jan 2012, 10:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
1 when n is zero
x * x * ... * x (n terms) when n is positive
1 / (x * x * ... * x) (n terms) when x is nonzero and n is negative

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For n > 0, 0^(-n) is not defined.

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I know that. I should have said "-n terms" on the third line since n is negative. Fixed.